Wednesday, May 29, 2024

Francis's gaffe

Many news outlets, including secular, mainstream news organizations such as the New York Times and ABC News, are reporting on a remark, including a very unfortunate word, which Pope Francis recently uttered when talking about the possibility of LGBTQ seminarians.  

Here is NY Times reporter Elisabetta Povoledo's summary of what happened:
Francis had been taking questions from Italian bishops meeting for their annual assembly on a number of issues when the question of whether or not to admit openly gay men into seminaries, or priesthood colleges, came up.

According to several people present at the meeting, who spoke anonymously to Italian media, Francis stated a firm no, saying that seminaries were already too full of “frociaggine,” an offensive slang term referring to gay men.
There are two developments in that second paragraph, both of which, to one degree or another, personally I find disappointing: that gay men still are not officially to be permitted to be accepted into seminaries; and Francis's use of that Italian word.  The word in question has been variously characterized as "off-color", "vulgar", "offensive" and "a slur".  Some news outlets have suggested it is similar to the American English colloquial slur "faggot" or "faggot-ness".  (Sorry, I know that is an offensive word; I would never use it.)

Here is Gerard O'Connell from America Magazine on the context that led to Francis's remark:
The question regarding homosexuality and seminarians has been under discussion for some time by the Italian bishops’ conference, and according to Il Corriere della Sera, at their meeting in Assisi last November, they “had approved a new document ‘Ratio Formationis Sacerdotalis,’ not yet approved by the Holy See, regulating admission to and formation in [Italian] seminaries, in which they approved by majority vote an amendment that recognized the distinction between simple homosexual orientation and ‘deeply rooted tendencies.’”

This, the paper reported, meant “in substance, that a homosexual person could be admitted to the seminary if, like the heterosexual, he gave the guarantee that he knows how to live the discipline of celibacy. The implication is that it is more difficult for homosexuals because they will be living in an all-male community for many years.” But, the paper observed, “it seems that Pope Francis has a more radical vision: to avoid problems of this kind, homosexual persons should not be admitted to the seminary. Full stop!”

La Repubblica reported much the same but added that two or three bishops raised questions on this subject at last week’s meeting with the pope, and one of them explicitly asked Francis what he as a bishop should do “when an openly declared homosexual knocks at the door of the seminary.” The paper said, “The pope, who already in the past had manifested his opposition to this [entry], responded in a firmly negative way, while emphasizing that respect is due to every person irrespective of their sexual orientation.”

According to La Repubblica, Francis said that “it is necessary to put down markers, and prevent the risk that the gay person who chooses the priesthood could later end up living a double-life, continuing to practice homosexuality, while at the same time suffering from this dissimulation.”
What possessed Francis to use that word?  Among the explanations offered: 
  • His first language is Spanish, not Italian, and so he may not have appreciated the negative connotation of the Italian colloquialism; 
  • He is an elderly man (87 years old) who has not "kept up" with the changing social norms around word usage
  • Someone in the crowd asked him a question that had that word in it, and in responding, he used the same word
  • Using crude, inelegant language is characteristic of him, and as John Allen of Crux put it, "part of his pastoral charm"
  • This was simply a gaffe.  
The term "gaffe" can have varied meanings.  Google's dictionary defines it as a blunder or mistake: "an unintentional act or remark causing embarrassment to its originator; a blunder."  The Cambridge English Dictionary comes closer to that which seems to apply to this instance: "a remark or action that is a social mistake and not considered polite".  Merriam-Webster's definition seems pertinent for situations such as this one, where the 'gaffer' is a prominent personage: "a social or diplomatic blunder".  Michael J O'Loughlin, a gay journalist at America who wrote a highly-recommended commentary piece on the affair, perhaps gets to the nub of it, wondering whether this is "an instance of a public figure mistakenly saying aloud what he or she really believes?"

Unfortunately, this incident will not be helpful in what surely has been one of Francis's projects, to reach out to LGBTQ Catholics and assure them that the church doors are open to them.  Here is O'Loughlin:

Last month, I wrote about the sense of whiplash many LGBTQ Catholics felt after the Vatican released a document condemning “gender ideology,” which took particular aim at medical interventions sometimes sought by people living with gender dysmorphia. 

Reports that Francis used an offensive slur present another moment of whiplash, especially because it rubs up against his well-worn image as someone trying to make the church more welcoming to the LGBTQ community. 

No ally is perfect, and sometimes even someone with the best of intentions will reach a limit in terms of how far they are able to go. Perhaps that limit has been reached. 

Still, Pope Francis has given space for others to engage in the kinds of dialogue, scholarly research and pastoral practice that will be necessary for the church to truly become what the pope dreams of: a place that is for todos, todos, todos—everyone, everyone, everyone. 

What that future work entails is unclear. But unless the church engages in the kinds of deep theological reflection needed to understand what it means to welcome and integrate LGBTQ people into the life of the church, in meaningful and concrete ways, the LGBTQ community will continue to be left grasping onto gestures. Gestures alone, no matter how well meaning, are not enough.

Over the years, we've talked quite a bit here about the church's multiple LGTBQ-related issues, including with its own gay clergy who don't feel permitted to be open about their sexuality.  I believe this situation breeds dysfunction in many ways.  The Holy Father would be well-advised to accede to the better angels of his nature by declaring that a person's sexuality should have no bearing, either on the person's standing as a Catholic or as a member of the clergy.

26 comments:

  1. A defense is now available at the America website.

    https://www.americamagazine.org/faith/2024/05/29/pope-francis-anti-gay-slur-context-misleading-248035

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    1. Anne, thanks. That's pretty interesting.

      According to O'Connell's original America report which I referenced in the post, Francis's controversial words were "first reported by Dagospia, a news outlet that specializes in confidential information and scoops, were subsequently reported by the leading Italian dailies, La Repubblica and Corriere della Sera". John Allen, in his Crux piece (also linked to in the post), characterizes Dagosia as similar to the Drudge Report. But the other two publications mentioned by O'Connell are considered reliable, and as I understand it, other news outlets picked up the story when those two outfits reported it.

      I guess the next move is to see whether the two mainstream Italian dailies stand by their initial reports.

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    2. I think there is no doubt that he used the word. But I think there is doubt that he fully understood the nuances - the vulgarity- since he is not a native speaker of Italian. He could have heard others use it and didn’t really know that it is considered very vulgar. Years ago when I was a student in Paris I would occasionally say something that caused the French students to go into gales of laughter. Eventually someone would clue me in.

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    3. That is possible, but FWIW, John Allen doesn't think it's likely. He states that Francis is pretty fluent in Italian - apparently it was spoken in the family home when he was a boy. To be sure: Francis's family may not have used derogatory terms for gays. That kind of language wouldn't have been permitted in my parents' household when I was a kid (nor in our household now!)

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    4. Their Italian dialect also might have been very different than the standard Italian of today - different regions of Italy have different dialects.

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  2. The reality is that there are "gay persons" and there are "gay cultures."

    I think it is easy to be comfortable with a "gay person" who is living with (or married) to a "gay person" while at the same time being very uncomfortable with a "gay culture" in which many of the men with whom your work are openly gay, unpartnered and sexually interested in you as a male.

    There are many "gay cultures" within the priesthood, religious life, and Catholic organizations. A Jesuit whom I knew well who was heterosexual felt very discriminated against in the Jesuits because there was a gay clique that ran the province in which he worked.

    There are Catholic seminaries that have gay cultures, just as there are British boarding schools that have gay cultures.

    When I came to work in my county the local Catholic Social Service agency had a "gay culture." The heterosexual clinicians felt the gay culture was so oppressive that they left and formed their own mental health agency to provide services.

    Gay men can, in the right circumstances when they feel empowered, be just as oppressive to heterosexual men whom they desire as male heterosexuals can be the women around them.

    Liberals need to be careful about making "oppressed minorities" into saints. Before I went to work in the D.C. I knew only a few Blacks (but one of them very well who was a Benedictine). I tended to think of Blacks as all marching forward nobly with MLK whom I greatly admired.

    After living for a year with the administration of the Community Mental Health Center (50% Black) and the DC Community Support Project (mostly Black except for a few of us researchers) I came to realize that Blacks are just as human as we all are. Some are very noble like MLK and my priest friend, others not so noble, not because any of them did anything against me (I was very unimportant and got along with everybody) but because of what I saw them do to their fellow Blacks.

    I think Francis is heterosexual and knows well the existence of gay cultures in the Jesuits, the Vatican and some seminaries. He wants bishops NOT to encourage those cultures by admitting opening gay individuals to the priesthood. At the same time, I think he wants gays to be welcome in our parishes, and for Bishops to be tolerant of priests with a gay orientation but who practice celibacy. I think he want bishops to be intolerant of priests who do not practice celibacy. A tough road to travel.

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    1. Granting for the sake of discussion that there exist seminaries with dysfunctional gay subcultures, seeking to solve the problem by refusing to admit any gay candidates at all strikes me as an amazingly unjust solution.

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    2. The amazing unjust nonsolutions are that we refuse to admit married men to the priesthood and refuse to give women equal status and power in our organizations.

      As long as we have single sex organizations (prisons, schools, religious orders, the clergy) we are going to have the problem of dysfunctional gay subcultures. Dysfunctionality occurs because of dysfunctional power relationships, i.e. men seeking power over other people's bodies whether those be male or female.

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  3. A very close, lifelong friend worked for the Archdiocese of Los Angeles for many years. In her role, she worked with pretty much every parish in the city. She opened my eyes to my own prejudice towards gays way back. She said then (about 25 years ago) that on average about 50% of the priests were gay, and that the percentage of gay priests was higher among the younger cohort of priests than among the older priests. She also told me that she had found that many gay priests had more compassion and empathy and helped their parishioners than many of the heterosexual priests. Her theory was that the gay priests had suffered a lot because of being gay, and because of having to hide their orientation in order to be priests. Strictly anecdotal based on her experiences.

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    1. Her figures are very similar to those of others who are close to the situation. Before Vatican II the priesthood attracted many talented heterosexual males, just like religious life attracted many talented women.

      I think of myself as one of the last annual cohorts (1960) who entered religious life under the influence of the pre-Vatican church. Most of the talented males whom I knew had considered a vocation to the priesthood. Within just a few years, 1963, everything changed. JFK was president, the peace Corp attracted idealistic young Catholics, Vatican II invited laypeople to pursuit holiness in the world.

      In the wake of Vatican II, the priesthood lost its attraction for heterosexual men when Rome made it clear that celibacy would stay. The ruling on birth control told laity that the clergy were out of touch with human sexuality. Heterosexual seminarians, young and middle-aged priests left the clerical state. What was left was mostly gay, and that priestly world became more attractive to gays and brought about gay subcultures in some seminaries and religious orders.

      Most of the data suggests that priests (and many other single people) can live very satisfying and fulfilling lives without being married or regularly sexually active. Being a pastor like being a teacher, or a counselor can be a very fulfilling life.

      But unmarried people are human, whether heterosexual or gay, and from time to time meet sexual partners even if they are unwilling to change their lives for them.

      I suspect that many of the heterosexual priests that stayed may have been the less compassionate one; their chances in the marriage market may have been poorer. They needed to hold on to power.

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    2. I agree that the experience of being gay can bring about compassion for others. One the gay persons whom I knew well in the mental health system developed his comparison for youth based on the great difficulties and lack of support that he had in dealing with being gay. That generalized to other young people not simply to gays.

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  4. I have to admit that the first thing that came to mind when I read about this incident was that it put me in mind of one's elderly relative who is slipping a little and the filters aren't quite working any more.

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  5. I have a fair number of gay men friends of a certain age in my movie group. Some of them are somewhat flamboyant. About half of them are married. None of them are closeted anymore, not even out here in the corn field. Some were raised Catholic, but around here they go to the Methodists or Congregationalists. I don't see them as having some kind of clandestine subculture because by and large they don't need one as long as they stay out of Catholic, fundamentalist, and evangelical churches. I don't think Pope Francis using a vulgar word for homosexual men is going to make much difference to people who already know that the Catholic Church is toxic.

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  6. I check many of the "RealClear" websites every day (RealClearReligion, RealClearScience, RealClearHealth, RealClearPolitics, RealClearBooks) and a week or so ago RealClearReligion linked to and article I cannot now find that argued people arguing against the Catholic Church's positions on LGBTQ issues weren't making any "religious" arguments, which is to say (as I remember and understood the article), the critics are not debating Catholic teaching from within Catholic thought, but from without. That of course makes sense for a lot of us who no longer believe in the teaching authority of the Catholic Church, but it seems to me if you are arguing with Catholics who want to remain Catholic, it is necessary to make plausible Catholic arguments—that is come up with a plausible new understanding of the key issues (e.g., marriage).

    Notions about gender, gender roles, sexuality, and the complementarity of the sexes are deeply embedded in Catholic thought. The exaltation of Mary, for example, makes no sense if traditional notions of gender are set aside. Are there any men celebrated as saints for their virginity? Do those who disagree with the Catholic Church really want to take on the concept of the Blessed Virgin Mary?

    The article that I am unfortunately unable to find wrote with awe at the astonishing beauty of human sexuality and the differences between males and females. I briefly thought about discussing the article here, but abandoned the idea for a number of reasons, all of them probably good. But my approach was going to be to compare the concept of human sexuality as an astonishing creation by an omnipotent God with the idea of human sexuality as the result of evolution, and to note the bizarre (and sometimes horrifying) nature of sexuality in much of the animal world.

    I am opposed to cancelling Pope Francis, who has done so much to "humanize" gay people, and I think it is a little strange that so many Catholic want him to reverse Church teaching (not that I would be upset if he did). It's a big job to rethink and revise all of Catholicism with regard to human sexuality, and certainly Pope Francis is not going to do it.

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    1. Yes, Francis is very aware of the limits of the papacy.

      However, he also understands how a very simple change in church policy may over time reap great benefits. I am thinking of the decisions by Pius X to encourage frequent even daily communion and the lowering of the age of First Communion.

      If communion had remained a rare several times a year event for mature people, it is hard to imagine how the Post Vatican II Church could have come about.

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    2. When I first read about Francis saying "No" so firmly to the question of admitting gay seminary candidates, my initial thought was, "This is a battle he doesn't want to fight, at least at this time in this way." There is a documentary tradition, to which JP II's and Benedict's papacies both contributed, stating that men with "deep-seated homosexual tendencies" (which, as far as I can tell, means "men who clearly understand and have accepted they are gay") can neither be ordained nor even admitted to a seminary.

      I would expect that resistance to changing this would arise in Africa and from conservatives around the world - the same dynamic that the Anglican Communion experienced a quarter century ago or more.

      Perhaps Francis would like the synodal process to address the question, rather than engage in a unilateral exercise of papal authority.

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  7. Fr Martin at Outreach has an essay in which he puzzles over the visceral reaction of some Catholics toward same-sex marriage: https://outreach.faith/2023/01/like-it-or-not-pete-buttigieg-is-legally-married/

    Fr de Souza has a response on First Things. He basically seems to think Martin is exaggerating all the vitriol, and that none of it is sparked by anything credible Catholic writers are saying. https://www.firstthings.com/web-exclusives/2023/02/homosexuality-and-hatred

    It strikes me that the best that the Church can do for gay Catholics is to put them in some kind of holding pattern. Live your life celibately and get as much joy as you can without developing as a being able to show sexual love and pleasure because for you that's a sin.

    That unilateral proscription strikes me, now that I am old and have a lot of time to contemplate the various biological realities that affected "how I turned out," as a pretty awful thing to do to someone.

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    1. I don't want to excuse Fr. Martin's social-media detractors; they certainly were saying vile things to him.

      I think Fr. Martin's column is sort of mixing together two categories: secular-state-valid, and church-valid. Spouses in a same sex marriage are validly married in the eyes of the state (assuming their marriage meets the state's requirements), but never validly married in the eyes of the church. I think that is the distinction the Catholic League was trying to make (but they didn't make it very well, which is kind of par for the course for them; they seem to be more about vitriol than accuracy. A representative if even dimmer-than-usual star in the right-wing media firmament.)

      I doubt Buttigieg, who is not Catholic, is losing any sleep over the Catholic church's not recognizing that he is validly married. That's the sort of thing that would drive Catholic League members batty.

      I think the main lesson for Martin is: don't engage the Catholic League.

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    2. Many of us Protestants can recall Catholic acquaintances telling our Protestant parents and grandparents that they were not married in the eyes of the Church. I understood Fr Martin to be saying that ow that scorn--and even rage--is reserved for those in same-sex unions.

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    3. The Catholic acquaintances surely were all wet. In the church's own legal processes, marriages between two Protestants are, by default, considered valid (hence the need for annulment of such previous marriages when a Protestant ex-spouse wants to marry a Catholic).

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    4. You know the correct answer, I am sure, but pretty sure your parents could tell you that this was the belief of sone preVat2 Catholics who would not attend Protestant weddings.

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    5. I am sure you're right. Per my mom, it was considered a mortal sin even to set foot inside a Protestant church. One of many reasons to give thanks for Vatican Ii.

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    6. I remember when some people (including some nuns!) felt that it was a sin to go to a wedding in a Protestant church. The cure for that attitude? Having half of your relatives being various shades of Protestant. I have shared before that my mom was a convert. When I was six or seven one of my aunts got married, and asked Mom to be her matron of honor, and me to be a flower girl. I must have blabbed about that at school, because Sister told me that we should get a dispensation from the priest. I told that to Mom, and she looked me in the eye, and said, "I don't need anyone's permission to be in my own sister's wedding, and neither do you!". I thought, "if it works for Mom, it works for me!"
      It was probably a good idea that I didn't tell Sister that I had gone to Baptist church services with Grandma and Granddad when I stayed with them. And had taken part in Communion Sunday when I was about four. I didn't understand anything about it, just thought it was nice of the Baptists to hand out a snack and grape juice since it was a long drive home.

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    7. It was just a given that most of our Catholic neighbors did not go to Protestant weddings or funerals, though they did go to funeral home visitation. Once the kids got out of Catholic school in 8th grade, that loosened up some. The girls I grew up with came to our wedding, which was a civil ceremony. One of them joked in the receiving line, "Don't tell Sister Venard we're here."

      I think it's a step backward for the local priest to be giving sermons about Protestant heresies. Lots of Protestant spouses attend Mass up there and agreed to raise their kids Catholic. Talking about "heretics" seems designed to make people feel unwelcome.

      In RCIA, the tack was that Protestantism is incomplete Christianity, a line I was willing to swallow at the time. Now I think most of us, certainly including me, are incomplete Christians regardless of denomination.

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  8. On the original topic, this item appeared in today's TGIF newsletter from The Free Press. The author is Nellie Bowles, a journalist and humorist. She is also the wife of Free Press founder Bari Weiss. In this hot take, I think she's about half tongue-in-cheek, but not completely out in left field, either. Here is Bowles:

    "Pope accidentally says something funny, offensive: In a private meeting about Italian seminary students, Pope Francis, historically known as the Woke Pope, said sure, it all sounds great, but you know what we need less of? Frociaggine. Translation: faggotry. Apparently, all the hot young Italian gays are going into the seminary, as they always have. See, if you’re a devout Catholic and also gay, becoming a priest is a great way for people to stop asking you when you’ll find a wife, and also to hang out with a lot of other gay guys. So it’s pretty safe to assume that many priests are a little frociaggine-ish. The Pope has two choices, as far as I can tell: celebrate those hot Italian gays living out loud and proud outside the church so their parents don’t make them join the church in the first place, or accept that you’ll have a little frociaggine around, okay? All the popes before you did."

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    1. Jim, I think you pretty much described it. It is interesting that this conversation took place with Italian bishops or cardinals, and they were talking about Italian seminaries. So is cliquishness, "frociaggine", more of a problem in the Italian presbytery?

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