Thursday, May 30, 2024

Can AI generate real art?

AI art is a touchy subject with artists.  Most of the members of my art club would say emphatically that AI images are NOT art. I follow some other artists on Facebook. One of them is a Japanese artist who has been working with AI since 2021.  It says in her bio, though, that she was a professional artist using more traditional methods for at least a decade prior to that. Her pictures are beautiful, both before and after her involvement with AI.  They are of a style, I can tell that they are the work of the same person.  But people are merciless in the comments.  They view her use of AI as plagiarism, cheating, betrayal, and so on.  A lot of the comments say that all you have to do is type in a command, that it requires no knowledge of art, and no talent.  Even I, as unfamiliar with AI as I am, know it isn't that simple. 

The author of this article, Sebastian Smee, feels that AI is not a threat to traditional artists, and that it is possible to create real art with AI. How AI is changing art and why traditional artists should embrace it - The Washington Post

Color me AI curious. 

From the article:

"Can the art world live with AI-generated art?

"Relax, everyone. It already does. Artists have been doing amazing things with artificial intelligence (AI) and its various predecessors for decades. The work is only getting better, more interesting, more exciting.

Of course, it’s easy to see why people are freaking out. The worlds of artificial intelligence and machine learning are changing things up with discombobulating speed. We suddenly have apps at our fingertips that can turn a simple verbal prompt into an image within seconds."

 

"If you’re a graphic designer or illustrator working in certain commercial fields, it’s already clear that AI will be a major disruption. Platforms like Midjourney and Stability Diffusion have built their businesses by scraping the internet for the data sets then used by their generators. That material includes the work of artists and illustrators, almost none of whom have been asked for their consent, credited or compensated."

"...These legal and ethical questions will take a while to sort out. But in the meantime, if you’re concerned about the health of art as we know it, there’s little reason to think of AI as a threat."

"Why? First, because the easier it is to get software to spew out digital imagery in response to a verbal prompt, the less interesting that imagery becomes. The same thing happened with NFTs. Invented as a device to create artificial scarcity, they were so easy to make that they instead produced the opposite of scarcity: a deluge of supply and a subsequent loss of interest."

"Second, because humans feel the pull of the physical. The more dominant the virtual becomes, the more we crave the physicality of art. That’s not just hopeful, old-style humanism. It’s a clear phenomenon. Even as the digital possibilities get greater and more sophisticated, the art world has seen an undeniable rise in the popularity of physical materials — not only paint, but also ceramics, textiles and all kinds of sculpture, all of which are undergoing a noticeable revival."

"...Physical art pulses and glows before our screen-addled eyes with a kind of talismanic intensity. So, if you’re an artist who makes sculpture, oil paintings, ceramics or textiles, if you’re into printmaking, watercolors or immersive, physical installations, you have nothing to fear.

Instead of thinking of AI-generated art as a doomsday development — a cluster bomb thrown by Big Tech into the heart of the art world — you can think of it as something with its own fascinating history, intoxicating present and unknown future. Something to be curious about." 


"...Human-machine loops are not new in art. Artists have always used technology to do things they could not do themselves or simply to see what would happen. In the late 19th century, John Singer Sargent needed a brush made from bristles, which he loaded with a particular quantity of viscous paint before dragging it across a primed canvas with different pressure and velocity to get results he wanted but could not entirely predict."

"....(Turkish AI artist )Refik Anadol likens his AI algorithms to a “thinking brush.” The important thing, he says, is “designing the brush.” “Some people believe it’s a case of ‘Hey, here’s the data, here’s AI, voilà!’” he says. “But it’s actually more challenging when you start to have some control over the system instead of having something imposed on you. That’s where the true challenge of art creation comes in.”


One of the objections to AI art that I hear is that it is just cutting up images from other people's photos or pictures and putting them together.  But that also describes collage, which is an accepted medium. It's not a medium that I use, but one of the awards at this year's club show went to a collage. There are still laws that apply to using recognizable parts of copyrighted material, and I assume that would also apply to AI art.

I could see the possibility of making an AI data base of one's own photos and pictures, and keeping it separated from other data bases to avoid the possibility of plagiarism. There shouldn't be a problem if you are using bits and pieces of your own material.

I don't see AI affecting the art that I currently do; mainly acrylic and pastel, and cyanotype landscape prints. but I can see AI being helpful for artists who do fantasy and anime.

If I find a class offering AI art, I am curious enough to look into it.


29 comments:

  1. I could see the possibility of making an AI data base of one's own photos and pictures, and keeping it separated from other data bases to avoid the possibility of plagiarism. There shouldn't be a problem if you are using bits and pieces of your own material.

    I have more than 17,000 photographs. The things I do with those photographs involve the programs that come with most computers. It should be possible to give AI a set of before and after photographs and ask it to do the same or similar things to a different set of photographs. In other words, condensing a day of work into less than an hour of work, leaving me time to try doing things differently while increasing the works in my portfolio. It also may be that after I do a good transformation of a photo, that 100 similar transformations of different photos would be of greater value than 100 reproductions of one original, since each person would be getting a unique piece of art.

    The art of great artists is often immediately recognizable; it is neither so easy that anyone could do, nor so completely different that art lovers would say "I have no idea who did these pieces because they are so different; they must have been done by different people."

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  2. The whole point of AI is to replace people with machines to save money. That is where the AI development money is going to go. It's already being used to replace copy writers, commercial artists, and soundtrack composers. So any way that AI is used for creative purposes needs to be balanced against the ways in which it shrinks jobs for creative people.

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    1. I wonder if a union could help that?

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    2. SAG has rec'd concessions along those lines, but unionizing freelancers and contract workers who have day jobs is very difficult. Hopefully they will make an effort.

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    3. A friend of mine was a strike captain for SAG - AFTRA - out picketing every day for months. They want to use AI for actors too. And apparently the human actors also get a really raw deal from most of the original productions of streaming services. My friend is one of the thousands who are not rich and famous. They have small parts, a few lines here and there. My friend lives in a small, 1 bedroom rented apartment and has worked as an actor in Hollywood for about 30 years. Most actors barely survive so the union has really helped them.

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    4. I know from helping with union efforts at two Michigan universities that these things go MUCH better when an established union is willing to help with the organizing. At MSU, the National Federation of Teachers came in to help us talk to colleagues and explain the ins and outs of the process. Some of it wasn't pretty, but the effort was successful.

      Big difference between that effort and the one at CMU, where the Michigan Education Association argued that adjuncts should not be part of the tenured faculty union. The (appropriately named) FU was persuaded to hold a vote on whether to let adjuncts in, but we were kept out by the vote. The effort to form an independent bargaining unit died.

      Meantime, the little private college I retired from was pushing us to video lectures and requiring us to submit assignments to admin. I advised younger faculty friends to avoid compliance because they were basically giving away intellectual property that would replace them. And that's what happened. Not AI yet. But guessing AI teachers are coming soon, and those who depend on teaching to do research will be SOL. Students will just keep getting fed stale info. Akin to the prof who's used the same ditto master for 50 years.

      Guess I'm a Luddite, but gig workers are vulnerable. Screw them out of a living wage, and it jacks up the cmost of social safety nets down the road.

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    6. It'll also jack up street crime, Jean, which is another form of entrepreneurialism. More catalytic converters stolen. More people shot for getting in the way. There's a problem here. Robots can make television sets. Robots don't buy television sets. AI is being developed as a tool for the rich and powerful. The benefit for the common citizen and society is not under consideration.

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    7. One of the daily Mass readings lately was about the Tower of Babel. It's one of those archetypes that reflect a truth. Sometimes people outsmart themselves.
      Part of me was thinking that it would be too bad if some of these solar flares that are making the aurorae visable might cause interference in the online world.

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    8. Katherine, one could only hope.

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  3. Off topic - the verdict is in - guilty on all counts. Now how long will all the appeals take and when will they try to get the Supreme Court to help push off the results of a conviction?

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    1. Regardless of what happens next, I was glad to see the guilty verdict. I'm sure he will grip and whine to high heaven that he was done wrong.

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    2. Will Corporate America continue to invest in Trump's candidacy? He seems to be promising them a lot at his exclusive hamburger dinners. But will they wager that he can deliver his promises, given that he's embroiled in all these legal wrangles and hasn't done too well beating them? If the big spenders abandon him, my guess is that he's toast.

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    3. My sister's mother-in-law is a sweet lady. But she phoned my sister, nearly in tears about the Trump verdict, saying that she feared for the future of the country. My sis kind of said, "There, there!" and bit her tongue. Because she feared for the country for the opposite reason. I think part of the MAGA base is like that, good people who have bought the story that Biden is such a left wing communiss that he will drive the country off a cliff, and Trump is a victim. Of course there are other parts of the MAGA base who have darker reasons for their support of Trump.

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    4. Friend's ding-dong sister is staying with her. Sister doesn't get why Trump was prosecuted when JFK also had affairs. Good example of what The Bulwark calls "low info voters."

      The Bulwark has also posited that many Trump voters are deeply lonely people who feel like important players Trump's noisy drama when they put on their hats, tee shirts, flags, and go to rallies with signs. Might be something in that.

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    5. I've noticed lately that a lot more of Bulwark's content is behind a paywall. I don't blame them, they have to meet their expenses. But I'm not made of money and can't buy subscriptions to everything.
      Yeah, about the low info voters.

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    6. Re: corporate American being behind Trump: I've seen stories this week that a number of individual billionaires are getting on board the Trump train. As these men and women are definitely not low-information voters, I take this as a sign that they've concluded that the guilty verdict won't make a material differences to his electoral prospects. My reading of the tea leaves is that it's Biden's trying to please everyone by cutting the Israel baby in two that is driving these billionaires into Trump's arms. (Sorry, lost count of how many metaphors were mixed into that last sentence).

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    7. I don't think corporate America billionaires care abt Gaza-Israel unless they're munitions manufacturers. They want deregulation and tax breaks.

      Or maybe you meant Grampa Joe is losing ground with former supporters b/c of Gaza, which is true.

      I'm thinking some potential donors might wait until after the convention before giving Trump a big pile of money. He'll have been sentenced and SCOTUS will likely have ruled on the issues holding up Jan 6 trials, and Trump's viability as a useful idiot will be clearer. But Jim's more likely to know how rich captains of industry think than I do.

      If Trump is re-elected, it'll be clear to me that the capitalist pigs have duped the majority of the electorate. They've already got the rubes here putting up NO SOLAR FARMS, NO WINDMILLS, NO EVs signs out here in the cornfield for them. The boobery is also against immigrants that Michigan needs, thinks God will save them from covid, and believes that alla them storms are just a bit of nasty weather (or God telling them to get the gays back in the closet).

      Once you can persuade the majority of people to vote against their own interests, you might as well just stay high and wait for the Mother Ship to take you away. That's my plan.

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    8. I don't know nothin' no more. I think that comes out rightly negative. President Ahab apparently now has no problems with US ordnance being lobbed into Muther Russia. Would a newly elected Trump, being a physical coward, benefit us by withdrawing from the brinkmanship of the other old man with nothing left to lose? I like having a democracy, but I'd hate to see what was done to Hiroshima done to our children. If I'm not mistaken, we've never been in a proxy war next to Russia or had our bombs and missiles land in Russia. I can already see the videos of the pieces of a missile with American markings that just landed on a Russian school. It doesn't even have to be real but Dotard One has already provided undeniable plausibility. What would Dotard Two do with the Ukraine if re-elected? I guess we have to find out what the Heritage Foundation believes. The Palestinians are screwed no matter who wins unless Jill Stein pulls it off. But she's running against RFK Jr., Cornel West and the Libertarian guy. I could surely use ranked choice voting in November. I could use a gin and tonic right now.

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    9. Looked up Heritage Foundation foreign policy. They are Rah Rah Israel and want to oppose Russia in the Ukraine though they think they'd be smarter. In other words, same old stuff. Another hot shot know-it-all elite who thinks it can run the world. And they don't understand our limitations. We are more limited than we have ever been.

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    10. Heritage foundation is a "think tank". Anytime I see that phrase bells go off. Because it tells me that the " thinking" they espouse is going to be very one sided, and their purpose is to try to influence public policy. One of Heritage's efforts is Project 2025. Just in case Trump needs some policy help. If he wins. (they want him to, surprise.) But he never listens to anybody, and they could find to their surprise that that includes them. Unfortunately he could think up plenty of bad policy on his own.

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  4. If AI can diagnose patients more accurately or drive more safely than humans, I'm for it.

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    1. Those are the touted benefits. The Capitalist Overlords with dollar signs in their eyes are certainly not going to advertise any down sides.

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    2. Another thing about AI is that it's an energy hog and could end up stressing the grid, which is already stressed:
      https://www.technologyreview.com/2024/05/23/1092777/ai-is-an-energy-hog-this-is-what-it-means-for-climate-change/
      It's not just the AI use itself, it's also the need for infrastructure, data centers, etc.
      If I'm sounding a little ambivalent it's because I am.

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    3. I know I'm running around freaking out about it, but I have felt freer to indulge in rants knowing that I probably won't make it out of this decade alive. Might as well drive a nail through my whatever tact and social filter I have left and say what I think. Nobody pays attention to old ladies, anyway.

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  5. Washington Post did an interesting experiment telling AI to create images of beautiful and ugly women. AI merely reflects and exaggerates reality. Beautiful women are white and skinny with insipid smiles, long hair and pretty dresses. Ugly women are fat, wrinkly, old, scowly, and dress badly. "Normal" women tended much more toward the beautiful end of the spectrum. No surprises there. But it's a depressing read.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/interactive/2024/ai-bias-beautiful-women-ugly-images/

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    1. Guessing that men wrote the algorithms.

      By way of comparison, I found this via Google:

      "Recent data from the Centers for Disease Control (CDC) suggests that the average weight of men in the US is 199.8 pounds. The average weight for women is 170.8 pounds.

      "To put this in perspective, it’s important to consider body mass index (BMI). BMI, or weight in kilograms divided by height in meters squared, is often used to measure overweight and obesity.

      "Here are the ranges of BMI:

      · 18.5 to 24.9: normal weight

      · 25 to 29.9: overweight

      · 30+: obesity

      "Based on BMI, more than 70% of US adults are considered overweight or obese. The average BMI in the US is 26.6 for adult men and 26.5 for adult women."

      FWIW: my experience shopping at department stores is that the store buyers think that "normal" men are quite thin, too. I have lost a little weight recently, but fitting inside size 36 waist pants pretty much receded in my rear view mirror somewhere around junior year of high school.

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    2. Am buying some stuff from an online catalog today. I notice that the models for the clothes are all wearing skinny dresses. And have sleek, well-behaved, quite long hair. The long hair seems to be a thing now, even for middle aged and beyond, in the media. I'm not that fat, but I'm not that skinny either. And my hair has never been well behaved, even on a good day. Oh well!

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  6. I agree with Jean.The corporate billionaires have no concern for poor people caught in war zones, unless, as Jean notes, the war benefits their business interests.They like trump because he is as greedy as they are, will try to cut the taxes they pay ( if any), and promises not to bother them about dumping poisons into the air, water, or ground where food is grown, violating civil rights laws, etc. it’s all about money and greed.

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