Wednesday, February 10, 2021

Joe Biden and Catholicism in the United States

 

A Catholic scholar weighs Biden’s future with Vatican and US bishops

The Vatican may be breathing a sigh of relief on Joe Biden's election. But the second Catholic president faces significant headwinds from American bishops, writes Massimo Faggioli in a new book. 

This is an interview by RNS; my comments in italics

You describe Joe Biden as a kind of liminal figure, caught between the 20th and 21st century. Explain what you mean.

He is a cradle Catholic, born and raised in a world shielded from pluralism, much more than today. So he was born in one world and reached the highest office in a very different world and a very different church.

What’s fascinating about his Catholicism is that he embodies an attempt to bring back a Catholic identity that doesn’t need other adjectives. Today, there’s always an adjective qualifying “Catholic”: a liberal, conservative, traditionalist and so on. This is the phenomenon of branding. But that’s not Joe Biden. His Catholicism is co-essential with his life and identity.  

Two images of Biden dominate my imagination: rosary praying (traditional) and Eagles Wings (Vatican II) Is that a conscious attempt to appeal to all Catholics?

You point to areas where Francis and Biden agree, such as the environment and immigration. More generally, how does the Vatican view Biden?

There’s a sigh of relief in the Vatican because Biden’s election means a return to multilateralism, to cooperation with international organizations, which has become in the last 50, 60 years a pillar of the Vatican concept of global community

Biden is a product of the Washington establishment, and not as close as Francis is to a third-world agenda. In the long term, there are natural differences — on China, the Middle East, Latin America. But it will take time for them to emerge.

Yes the harmony with the Vatican on some issues such as the environment and immigration should not blind us to the fact that Francis has deep criticisms of the US, including the US church, based on his third world experience.

You note that Francis has embraced a vision of Catholicism that is no longer centered on the West. What is his attitude to the U.S.?

John Paul II and Benedict XVI had a special relationship with the United States for different reasons — anti-communism for John Paul II and a very negative take on Islam for Benedict XVI. Francis’ understanding of the United States is shaped by a typical Latin American Catholic perception, by the United States’ support for dictatorships on the continent.

There is a deep worry in the Vatican for what America has gone through in the last four years. Francis is not ignoring America. That’s not thinkable. When he has spoken on marriage and divorce and gays and abortion, he knew it would create a huge backlash from the U.S. Catholic bishops, and he did it anyway

Yes Francis vision of Vatican II was shaped by the Latin American bishops preferential option for the poor. While the American bishops initially issued progressive documents on the economy and nuclear warfare, they made a complete turnabout under JP2 and Benedict. Latin America however continue to develop a progressive vision as a church of and for the poor despite attacks out of Rome on liberation theology. Eventually first Benedict and now Francis has put his stamp of approval on their interpretation of Vatican II. The synodal form of government in the church now being promoted by Francis comes from Latin America.

You devote a large part of the book to exploring the changes in the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops. You call some of them neoconservatives and others neotraditionalists. Explain what you mean by that.

Neoconservative is a movement that began in Catholic intellectual circles in the United States in the 1980s. They thought Catholic liberalism in the 1960s and 1970s had gone too far and we should go back to a more moderate idea of church. They were not aiming at an upheaval of the whole system. They wanted a rebalancing.

In the last 15 years, since the election of Benedict in 2005, some in those same circles have become neotraditionalists. They say the teachings of the Second Vatican Council were wrong: Let’s go back to a pre-Vatican II theology.

When Trump becomes president there’s also an embrace of a political theology that embraces ethno-nationalism among the U.S. bishops. There’s a rejection of any discourse on racism, gender equality, etc. This is something that has happened in various places in the Catholic Church, but in other countries, it’s fringe. In this country, it is much bigger.

These distinctions are very important in dealing with conservative trends among bishops and American Catholics. Moderation after Vatican II changes was a good thing in its time, however now that it  has resulted in criticism of Vatican II on liturgy, ecumenism, and public life it crossed a line into neo-traditionalism. Now it is going even further in alliances with right wing political movements.

How has the neo-traditionalist wing expressed itself?

After the Jan. 6 assault on the Capitol there were statements saying, “Let’s not resort to violence.” But there is no statement calling what the president did what it was, or calling his lies, lies. Other cardinals and bishops have noticed. The cardinal of Myanmar represents a tiny percentage of the population of Myanmar, but immediately after the coup, he said, “We Catholics are in favor of democracy, of the constitution, rule of law.”

The Catholics in the United States represent more than one-fifth of all the population, and in four years you never had anything comparable to what in one day the cardinal of Myanmar said. This is not how the Catholic Church behaves in a modern democracy under threat.

In third world countries bishops ally themselves with democratic movements, often because these are important to Catholic minorities. In first and second world countries where Catholics are the majority or a large minority bishops can be tempted to align themselves with right wing authoritarians.

Can Biden ignore the bishops’ conference and deal directly with the Vatican?

The Vatican has already opened a channel of communication with the new administration. The U.S. bishops’ conference has cornered itself. It has bad relations, not only with the White House but with the pope. It’s not in Biden’s interest to challenge or criticize the bishops. He doesn’t need that. But Biden and the pope can understand each other without the need to involve the U.S. bishops. They (the bishops) are dealing with an open rift among themselves. I suspect that’s going to last. In the last eight years, the USCCB has become immovable. All those bishops and cardinals Francis appointed have never been elected to a position of leadership in the USCCB. Many have just given up. Very few are willing to say something publicly. So it’s a Catholic Church effectively without a leadership that is taken seriously.

Yes Biden's best strategy is to continue to pray the rosary, and sing Eagle's Wings, be the chief mourner, conquer the virus, revive the economy, take on climate change, and immigration (and ignore the bishops except when they praise him). 

You write that the Catholic Church is in the midst of a “soft schism.” What do you mean?

I don’t think it will be a schism like in the Middle Ages, but the polarization in the Catholic Church in this country goes much deeper than political behavior. It is more than a legitimate diversity of political ideas. Bishops hostile to Pope Francis in 2018 looked with sympathy at Vigano’s attempts to unseat Pope Francis. This is not normal. When good Catholics go as far as trying to unseat a legitimately elected pope, this is a warning sign. None of those bishops regretted what they said.

As a European, the author is aware of the many complicated schismatic movements that Catholicism has survived over the centuries. So this is only a soft schism, something that we need to be concerned about but not exaggerate.  


34 comments:

  1. I strongly believe that this church has been in schism for many years now, particularly in the US. "Unity" is a myth.

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  2. "You point to areas where Francis and Biden agree, such as the environment and immigration."

    I don't think Biden's support for areas such as the environment and immigration is particularly a product of his Catholicism. Regarding the environment, I rather doubt that respect for our common home was taught as as core value of Catholicism when Biden was in Catholic school. I perceive Biden as embracing environmentalism not because he is Catholic but because he is a Democrat. And I would think that the Democrats' embrace of care for the environment is more rooted in Enlightenment thinking than Catholic social teaching. I believe it could be argued that Catholic social teaching itself is rather late to the party when it comes to environmental concerns. Francis is the first pope to really embrace environmental concerns as a top-tier concern of Catholic social teaching (although some bishops' conferences have been more "on it" for years).

    As for immigration, if Biden's experience was anything like my parents' (roughly the same generation), then I expect it would be rather complex. Many/most of his Catholic school classmates would have been 1-2 generations away from being immigrants themselves. So there would be a natural sympathy for immigrants based on those personal and family experiences. One overlay on top of that would be viewing the religious landscape through the prism of the Reformation: there were Catholic ethnicities (the newcomers) and Protestant ethnicities (the Establishment). Another overlay would have been the worldwide postwar plight of refugees and displaced families, and Catholic efforts to help with them. Yet another overlay would have been the ubiquity of racism and inter-ethnic conflict. To be sure, I am certain that Biden's views have developed and matured from this background, and surely he has transcended the prejudices which would have abounded in the culture he grew up in. I am speculating that whatever synergy exists between Biden and Francis is a crossing of different streams, rather than two persons riding the same stream.

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    1. "I am speculating that whatever synergy exists between Biden and Francis is a crossing of different streams, rather than two persons riding the same stream." I think you are probably right about that.

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    2. Actually some synergy may come from the fact that both of them were essentially headed toward retirement after a lot of speculating about them as possible candidates for the top job, and then very unexpectedly ending up with the top job. That might make for some interesting conversation.

      And now both of them at an advanced age have an opportunity to make a big difference in the world.

      Could make for some interesting one on one conversations except that Francis can't speak English very well and Biden probably can't speak Spanish at all.

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    3. "Biden probably can't speak Spanish at all."

      As a conservative, it sort of kills me to say this, but there are quite a few things about Biden personally which really strike a chord with me. I can't speak a lick of Spanish, and I took it for four years in high school.

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    4. Don't feel badly, Jim. I took it in high school, and a couple of Spanish literature classes in college, in which we had to read Cervantes in the original, among other things. I can't speak a lick of it now, conversationally, beyond Hola, como esta usted. By the time I finally sort of figure out what someone is saying, they are already five minutes ahead of me. If I had to translate any Cervantes now I'd just look it up online. We used to practice a little trying to listen to Sabado Gigante, but it's true that if one doesn't use it, they lose it.

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  3. "What’s fascinating about his Catholicism is that he embodies an attempt to bring back a Catholic identity that doesn’t need other adjectives. Today, there’s always an adjective qualifying “Catholic”: a liberal, conservative, traditionalist and so on. This is the phenomenon of branding. But that’s not Joe Biden. His Catholicism is co-essential with his life and identity. "

    The branding is the purview of "professional Catholics" - they are the ones who need to brand themselves with these adjectives and qualifiers. Biden is not a professional Catholic. He's a believing Catholic who is in politics. He's a Catholic. I think most Catholics are that way - they are Catholics without an adjective.

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  4. "When Trump becomes president there’s also an embrace of a political theology that embraces ethno-nationalism among the U.S. bishops. There’s a rejection of any discourse on racism, gender equality, etc. This is something that has happened in various places in the Catholic Church, but in other countries, it’s fringe. In this country, it is much bigger."

    I don't see this, at all, among the US bishops. Faggioli always is interesting and frequently is insightful but also comes across to me occasionally as paranoid about nefarious right wing movements. Personally, I think the evidence for an alleged right-wing nationalism among Catholic bishops is practically non-existent. There are a handful of bishops who seem to be more or less aligned with Trump - I'm only aware of one or two. That's pretty fringe-y.

    I think a more likely (and simple) explanation for what we witnessed among bishops during the Trump years was the unavoidable fact that Trump was president, so the bishops had to deal with him. They tried to work with him on issues where their interests coincided (abortion, Catholic school subsidies) and opposed him where their interests were opposed (immigration). I expect the bishops to take the same approach with Biden.

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    1. I'm more worried about the bishops who were on board with Vigano and his letters than the ones who were trying to get along with Trump because he was president. Of course some of them were the same people; on a Venn diagram the circles would overlap.
      In terms of church history it hasn't been all that long since the church took a somewhat dim view of democracy. "Americanism" was borderline to a heresy in the eyes of some of the hierarchy. Maybe not even borderline. There's still a streak of that around.

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    2. Agree that a "soft schism" has existed n the US RCC since at least the 80s, worsening in the 90s, and accelerating during the last 20 years.

      Find it hard to believe that Jim can only think of a couple of bishops who "align with trump". I don't follow RC bishops as closely as Jim, but even i can think of a lot more than two who are trumpistas.

      Does it matter whether or not Francis and Biden arrived at their views on environment and immigration because of separate streams crossing? If that is even the case, and its not clear that it is. Biden grew up in a Catholic environment where people may have still been holding on to their immigrant roots. Common in the east coast and midwest apparently. Not the case in California. One of my older sisters is the same age as Biden so my family was Catholic in America during the same era. But we in our Catholic parish in LA were barely aware of our ancestors who were immigrants. We didn't identify with them. Francis is first generation Argentinian. His parents were immigrants. So he and Biden might both have backgrounds that push them towards compassion for immigrants and refugees, especially Francis. Both men have compassion for the poor, for those whose lives are hard. Trump had no compassion for anyone. The American bishops as a group seemed to support trump overall with an occasional token complaint about the cruelty the trump administration exhibited towards refugees and immigrants seeking asylum.

      It seems that there is far more likelihood that Francis and Biden have more values in common that Francis and trump, or Francis and the US bishops. And the bishops wasted no time in expressing open hostility towards Biden right out of the gate. He might be able to work with the Vatican on common goals, but he should probably just ignore the USCCB and only consult one of the few bishops who aren't trumpistas when dealing with the American Cathokic church.

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    3. "Find it hard to believe that Jim can only think of a couple of bishops who "align with trump". I don't follow RC bishops as closely as Jim, but even i can think of a lot more than two who are trumpistas."

      Please do provide some details, if you're willing to name names. I don't follow church hierarchy doings particularly closely, and it's possible that the situation is more depressing than I perceive.

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  5. Interesting discussion. I wasn't raised Catholic, so I don't have any long views to offer here other than to observe that the bishops, who are, of course, like Biden, products of mid-20th Century American Catholicism, if any broad conclusions can be derived from that.

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  6. My “gold standard” for insights into the bishops is Rocco Palmo, and his blog Whispers in the Loggia. Rocco used the model of a local reporter in Philadelphia who covered politicians for his coverage of the American bishops. That is he humanizes them with their virtues and faults rather than focus upon issues.

    Rocco has been concerned that the bishops, most of who were appointed by JP2 and Benedict, are basically digging in their heels against Francis, expecting him not to last too long so that they can get back to the glory days of their appointments. He is on good terms with most of the bishops because he has lot of insider knowledge, and treats them fairly. He has voiced his concerns that they have allowed themselves to become political weapons even thought that was not the intention of most of them. Their politics is mostly of the ecclesiastical variety.

    Rocco is always the gold standard for deciding what is really new and what is fake news in church affairs. For example last week Francis appointed a woman to a very high office in the department that oversees the conduct of Synods. Some minimized that saying women have been given high appointments before. But Rocco pointed out that in this case it gives the women the right not just to speak but to vote in the next synod. While new, in the last synod delegates of male religious orders who were not priests were given the right to vote. That opened up the question of whether in the next synod the delegates of women religious will also be allowed to vote. The pattern is once lay men are given rights, lay women follow quickly.

    Rocco certainly saw the Gomez letter to Biden as a big mistake on the part of the bishops. He has pointed out that the apostolic delegate has reached the mandatory retirement age of 75, and therefore Francis is likely to make some major decisions with regard to the American bishops in terms of whom he appoints as the next apostolic delegate who is the principal person who makes recommendations on new bishops.

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    1. I haven't followed Rocco Palmo very closely, but he's an interesting guy. He seems to have a lot of inside sources for ecclesial matters, but lives in the US, in Philadelphia. As nearly as I can tell, he has a widely read blog, but is a free-lance journalist as far as being employed by any news agency. I guess you can make a living doing that? Anyway, a lot of high up church people apparently talk to him.

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  7. On the question of “soft schism” Faggioli is likely thinking of Lefrebre after Vatican II, and some Dutch bishops after Vatican I who actually founded schismatic churches that continue to exist today as examples of hard schisms.

    I agree with most everyone that on the institutional level that schisms developed after Vatican II. Basically the American bishops sat on the sidelines during Vatican II and did little beyond the minimum that was required, e.g. liturgical changes. At the same time women religious and Catholic colleges and universities rethought themselves in terms of Vatican II while seminary training changed but little. At lot of rethinking took place at the parish level in terms of deacons and lay ecclesial ministers. Again bishops were usually followers rather than leaders.

    So the stage was set for institutional conflicts when JP2 began to tighten up things at Rome. We got first more emphasis upon Catholic identity for colleges and universities (e.g. the mandated approval by bishops for faculty theology teachers) and later under Benedict the investigation of women religious.

    The interesting thing is that different Catholics institutions have very different professional images along the liberal conservative dimension, e.g. while most women religious orders adopted very progressive liberal images, a few adopted very traditionalist images. As Jim remarked we have institutionalized these images among professional Catholics. So the issue is much more than individual personalities or the bishops.

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    1. I remember the time directly after VII as being pretty turbulent. Some people went a little bit nuts, and when they finally sorted themselves out, it was along these liberal or conservative lines. It would be healthy if they could now sort themselves out of rigid classifications.

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    2. It's only fair to note that the turbulence following VII didn't happen in a vacuum. During the same time frame we had the Vietnam war and the draft going on, and the assassination of national leaders, not to mention changing social mores. It's no wonder the seas were rough. Kind of like now.

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    3. What I recall from participating in anti-war protests was that a LOT of my Catholic friends were anxious to find justification for their views from the Church and especially their home parishes. Some did, and those are the ones who still believe they have a "home" in the Church. I'm sure there are other factors, too, but a priest willing to lead kids going off to a demonstration in prayers for peace was pretty powerful.

      I would be impressed with any local priest or clergy now who ran special prayer services during the pandemic, live or online. Possibly an opportunity missed for evangelization. According to A Journal of the Plague Year (1665), people couldn't get enough church, and any cleric who ran a prayer service got a big following, regardless of denomination.

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  8. This article in the Tablet by Massimo Faggioili is a more complete explanation of his views than is the RNS interview.

    https://www.thetablet.co.uk/features/2/19419/america-s-coming-schism-

    Re Jack's comment on women's religious orders generally being more progressive than men's orders.

    I was in high school and college when the Immaculate Heart sisters were struggling with the LA Cardinal after Vatican II. I remember rooting for the sisters. I have a memory of the Cardinal. We (my family) went to some big Catholic thing in Los Angeles where he was present. I was a little girl, but I remember having to kiss his ring. I was totally creeped out by that and never forgot it. My mother forced me to do it.

    I closely followed the saga of the IHM sisters who left the canonical order and started an ecumenical center for their work in Santa Barbara. The Center still exists. Maybe I will visit it on one of my Calif trips.

    The women's religious orders were, and still are, generally treated as a servant class by the male hierarchy (as are all women in the church), and I have long wondered why more women's religious orders didn't follow the example set by the IHM in Los Angeles. Perhaps there will be a rebirth of women's religious orders (that include married women) at some point in the future - groups of women with a religious/spiritual charism who form independently of Rome and the hierarchy, with no canonical ties.

    McIntyre treated them like they were unruly children whom he could discipline most harshly. It served him right that 2/3 of them decided that they didn't need him (or the Vatican) to tell them how to live out their religious charism. Since they ran a lot of parochial and private Catholic schools in LA, their departure definitely rocked the boat a bit.

    There was a documentary about them at Sundance this year. I look forward to seeing it.

    https://tinyurl.com/mrxb43td


    Unfortunately the reporter got their name wrong - seems calling the order the Immaculate Mary of the Heart rather than Immaculate Heart of Mary.

    More information on the IHM Community.

    https://www.immaculateheartcommunity.org/ihc-history

    and Casa Maria in Santa Barbara.

    https://www.lacasademaria.org/history/

    I will send them a donation. I had not realized how badly damaged the center was due to the floods and mudslides following the big wildfire a couple of years ago in the hills above them.



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    1. Seriously, kiss his ring? That would creep me out too.
      Seems like it was the experience of a lot of women religious in pioneer times that the hierarchy were quite glad to use their labor, but unwilling to give them respect or autonomy. Doesn't sound like things had changed much in that regard by McIntyre's time.

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    2. People at the event lined up to meet McIntyre and everyone kissed his ring. I think that was SOP at that time. Even now some conservative Catholics are unhappy with Francis because he discourages people from kissing his own ring.

      As you know, Catholic schools were mostly founded and/or run by women religious. They were not treated as equals by many priests. They worked for minimal pay and no benefits, including no retirement benefits. Why do you think they are now essentially begging for money with "special collections " at parishes all over the US? Their labor was exploited by the men of the church. Once the women's religious orders went into steep decline the schools were forced to pay at least somewhat higher salaries ( though still low) and benefits to lay teachers. So there are far fewer parochial schools these days. Once the cheap labor pool of women religious dried up, they couldn't afford as many schools. Not many parishes have a membership that is willing or able to support them these days.

      Apparently one of the reasons for the "investigation " of American women religious initiated by Benedict at the behest of a couple of conservative bishops was to obtain an accounting of their assets. Would they have tried to seize them had Francis not been elected? I do suspect that was part of the plan.



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    3. I don't think that the ring-kissing has been a standard practice in the US for many decades now. Even when I was a kid, it wasn't done. I know there were some people who didn't let it go, and for all I know, there are some people still today who would do it if a bishop would let them. I read somewhere that it makes today's prelates feel really awkward when people insist on doing it.

      As Lent is just around the corner: it might be worth a moment or two's contemplation that there is something to be said for kenosis (self-emptying). JRR Tolkien once said something along the lines of, "touching your hat to the squire may be damn bad for the squire, but it's damn good for you."

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    4. Ring kissing wasn't even done in my youth, pre-VII. Of course little old Grand Island diocese was out in the toolies, and our bishop at the time, John Linus Paschang, was a very humble man, who wouldn't have encouraged that sort of thing. And who respected the sisters.
      Something we did kiss (and still do, when it's not a pandemic), was the cross on Good Friday. That would seem to be more to the point on self-emptying, since we are honoring the ultimate self emptying of Jesus.

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    5. Touching your hat to a squire who is unworthy of respect is not good for anyone.

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    6. There was a visitation from the bishop when I was a kid. I went with my Catholic playmates. There was ring kissing by some of the important people in the parish. I was relieved to learn we would not kids the bishop's ring at one of the RCIA rites, though our bishop at that time was a wonderful man. But will never be Catholic enough to kiss crosses, rings, or holy relics. Or even Raber at the peace.

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  9. "Can Biden ignore the bishops’ conference and deal directly with the Vatican?"

    In a word, No. The Biden Administration will need to work with both.

    Faggioli's answer dwells on the apparent dysfunctions in the national conference. The reader is invited to infer that, by contrast, the Vatican is a well-oiled machine with no conflict, politics or dysfunction on its part.

    Also, there is the consideration that Francis has to maintain relations with, and provide pastoral care for Catholic in, some 200 countries. He can't, and shouldn't, be singularly focused on the Biden Administration.

    In addition, Francis is committed to decentralizing the church. I expect he'd want a national government to work with the corresponding national conference, rather than have everything funneled through the Holy See.

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  10. Work with both? Probably, to some degree

    But although the Pope is responsible for Catholics in more than 200 countries, the US is of prime importance - due to its large population of Catholics (who donate much more money to the church than people in poor Catholic countries), but especially due to the fact that the US is still the world's richest and most powerful nation. It can influence international affairs in ways that few other countries can do. Since the Pope is very concerned about international affairs, he must certainly want to have a good working relationship with the Biden administration. With or without the participation of the USCCB. It's likely that the Pope just holds his breath some of the time in fear of what the US bishops are going to do or say next to mess up the works between the Vatican and the US government.

    Certainly there was no love lost between Francis and trump. The Pope could not depend on the US for help in humanitarian issues of great importance. In fact, the US was making these situations worse, while the US bishops pretty much stood aside and said little or nothing.

    The Pope may have to simply bypass the USCCB and work directly with the administration on important matters of joint concern. He can let them decide things like waiving the no meat requirement if St. Patrick's Day happens to fall on a Friday during Lent.

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  11. The Apostolic Delegate is the Pope's representative to both the American Bishops and the American Government. The American Bishops do not represent the Pope to the American Government. They represent themselves. In fact in his letter Gomes said he only represented himself as the president of the American bishops.

    The Vatican is certainly not going to tie its hands in diplomacy with the US Government and around the world to the American bishops.

    In past encounters between Secretaries of State of the Vatican and the US they discussed issues of mutual interest, and then the Vatican group said at the end "of course the fact that we mentioned the topic of abortion will be included in our press release" when of course no time was spent on it. The Vatican does not object to the American bishops concern about abortion; how they handle that is an internal matter with the United States that does not effect their diplomacy.

    What disturbed Rome was Gomez attempt to define the American bishops relationship to Biden before it defined its diplomatic relationship because as Anne points out the Vatican's relationship to the US is very important.

    By the way during the time Clinton was Secretary of State she never visited Rome. That WAS duly noted in Rome. So her relationship to Rome was just as bad as Trumps.

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    1. However that did not interfere with Pope Francis meeting and collaborating with Obama in opening relationships with Cuba.

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    2. Jack - right on.

      Francis's style is not confrontational (which is not to say that he fears to speak truth to power). Quite different than John Paul II's support for the Solidarity movement. Gomez's statement on Inauguration Day was ripped from the JPII playbook.

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    3. Thanks for the tutorial, Jack. I have passed the Vatican embassy in DC countless times, but never thought a lot about what they did there. Nor what the USCCB did. I paid little attention to bishops during my Catholic years - until Dallas. The visual of a room with dozens of overfed, overwhelmingly white, men was like a kick in the stomach. A real wake-up call. So I started paying more attention to the bishops, and learned that my childish assumptions that they were good and holy men were dead wrong. Naive of me, I know.

      It's all politics, and like politics everywhere, for most (not all - a few decent men here and there, but a minority) of the bishops, personal ambition is the most important thing - it's about money, and power, and perqs. The political jostling between the Vatican and the national bishops conferences is just like power struggles everywhere.

      Lesson learned - beware of bishops!

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  13. im: Gomez's statement on Inauguration Day was ripped from the JPII playbook.

    So.....I hope that this apparent admiration for Gomez's "style" doesn't mean that you see confronting Biden as the moral equivalent of confronting the Communist Party in Poland.
    Good article at Commonweal on Biden the Catholic

    https://www.commonwealmagazine.org/biden-catholic-part-two

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    1. No, as I mentioned before, I don't particularly admire Gomez's statement.

      And no, I don't see Biden as the moral equivalent of a Soviet Bloc Communist regime. I've written enough about Biden and his evolving stance on abortion, no point in rehashing it again.

      What interests me more is differences in leadership style. More than one style can be effective, and different situations may call for different approaches. JP II supporting the Solidarity movement was risky, but it seems was the right thing to do. And I suspect that the friendly approach advocated and modeled by Francis, Cupich, Gregory et al is the right approach with Biden.

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