Monday, December 4, 2023

What comes after the war? (Updated)

I am thinking of Colin Powell's "Pottery Barn rule"; his admonition to George W. Bush in 2002 in relation to the decision whether to invade Iraq.  "You break it, you own it."

The war between Israel and Hamas can't last forever, and Israel hasn't made public any plans about what they intend to do after it is over.  Except, they have said that they aren't going to occupy Gaza.  Biden has said that they shouldn't occupy Gaza.  But in the short term, who is going to pick up the pieces?  They have said that they don't want UN forces to do it. Eqypt doesn't want Gaza. None of the Arab neighbors want it. But you don't get to just walk away from chaos that you helped cause, even if the other side started it.

I came across this piece by Moises Salinas Fleitman,A Marshall Plan for Gaza & a Three State Solution | Moises Salinas Fleitman | The Blogs (timesofisrael.com) and it is the only solution that makes sense to me from a humanitarian point of view, that is, to carry out a sort of Marshall Plan. From the article:

"After the defeat of Nazi Germany in 1945, the country lay in ruins. The Allies, in a brutal but necessary campaign to defeat Hitler and uproot Nazism, had destroyed infrastructure, industrial complexes, and urban areas, leading to significant civilian casualties. Historians disagree on the exact number, but estimates range from several hundred thousand to a million or more. Physically and socially, Germany was a broken nation. However, by the 1960s, at least the western part of Germany had transformed into a country with a thriving liberal democracy and a dynamic economy. How did a nation that had over 8.5 million active members of the most horrific and radical ideology in modern history, and was devastated by war, become a beacon of economic recovery and democratic values in the second half of the 20th century?"

"To a large extent, this transformation was due to the Marshall Plan, an initiative spearheaded in 1947 by the United States to aid the economic recovery of Western Europe after World War II. In essence, it comprised financial assistance, economic stabilization, modernization, and political and social stability. Lasting about four years, the plan injected over $13 billion (equivalent to about $170 billion in 2023) into Western European economies. It was accompanied by the Allied occupation of Germany until a stable democratic government was established in the Federal Republic of Germany in 1949 (and a communist one in the German Democratic Republic)."

"If Israel is determined and able to uproot Hamas from the Gaza Strip, the Marshall Plan provides a promising blueprint for the territory. As I’ve previously written, there’s no long-term solution to the conflict if Palestinian youth lack hope for the future. Therefore, it is crucial to create conditions where young people don’t feel compelled to join terrorist organizations and adopt radical ideologies. And the attraction to such ideologies is not necessarily the result of education, indoctrination and culture. Millions of German children were fiercely indoctrinated by Nazi ideology between 1933 and 1945, and antisemitism was deeply rooted in German culture at the time. Yet, they became the generation that reconstructed Germany into a thriving democracy."

"I am convinced that replicating the success of the Marshall Plan and the German reconstruction in Gaza is possible, but it would require an international coalition to oversee the political and economic reconstruction of the strip. This would be akin to a “three” state solution of sorts, as the political structure of Gaza would be, albeit temporarily, separate from the Palestinian Authority in the West Bank. Most importantly, for a reconstruction plan to succeed, a solution to the root causes of the violence is needed: guaranteeing the legitimate aspirations of both Israelis and Palestinians for a just peace, and security.

Japan was not included in the Marshall Plan, but the US also carried out a reconstruction program there, ending their occupation of Japan after seven years, in 1952.

It is interesting that Moises Salinas Fleitman calls the plan a "three state solution".  It has seemed obvious to me that there has been three states for a long time, since Gaza and the West Bank don't even have the same government.  It seems an unrealistic expectation to think that the Palestinian Authority in its present iteration would be willing or able to step into the gap of governing Gaza.  A temporary occupation seems inevitable, and more humane than leaving the Palestinians in Gaza to lift themselves by their own bootstraps, since they have nothing now.

Update:  There is a good article on the NCR site by Stephen M. Colecchi: Visionary leaders could point toward a just peace in the Holy Land | National Catholic Reporter (ncronline.org)

"Tragically, actors on both sides undermine the possibility of peace. Hamas' failure to recognize Israel, its call for Israel's destruction, and its indiscriminate attacks on Israelis, including suicide bombings, rocket attacks, and the murders and kidnappings of Oct. 7, terrorize Israelis. They also undermine the legitimacy of the Palestinian quest for self-determination. "

"...Jerusalem is home to Jewish prayer at the Western Wall, Christian prayer at the Church of the Holy Sepulcher, and Muslim prayer at the Al-Aqsa Mosque, Islam's third-holiest site. Jerusalem lies at the center of the conflict. Radical Israelis engage in provocative actions at Al-Aqsa. Christians are intimidated by Israeli extremists and Christian sites are defaced."

"What are the elements of a long-term solution? A just peace demands an end to both the violence of terrorism and the violence of occupation. It demands recognition and security for Israel. Nonviolent resistance to the violence of occupation would better serve the Palestinian cause. Terror attacks and indiscriminate rocket fire on Israeli civilians must end."

"A just peace demands an end to Israeli occupation of the West Bank, Arab East Jerusalem and Gaza, and an end to the expansion of settlements in the West Bank. Justice demands the establishment of a Palestinian state or confederation with equal rights for all. It also requires an agreement on Jerusalem that protects religious freedom and other basic rights, and the aspirations of both Israelis and Palestinians."

"Visionary leaders could find light at the end of the tunnel."

That is the trouble, there don't seem to be any visionary leaders.


15 comments:

  1. I don't trust anything the Netanyahu government says. They've been throwing Palestinians off their land for years. Gaza is unlivable and I think this is exactly what the Netanyahu government wants. They want to be rid of the indigenous population. The US gained total victory over the Indians. Netanyahu wants the same thing.

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    1. With something like a 75% disapproval rating, I don't think Netanyahu is going to be able to remain in power in the long term.

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  2. Comparing Hamas to the Nazis and blithely calling for a Marshall Plan in Gaza is word for word what Netanyahu is peddling.

    Netanyahu has been sketchy about who will pay for the Gaza Marshall Plan once he's blown everything to smithereens. He talks vaguely of "all of us coming together." Us? Certainly not if Trump is re-elected. Just another sh*t hole country he doesn't care about. And he'll let the evangelicals dictate policy with Israel based on their weird ideas about the Jews' role in the End Times. No place for Muslims in that.

    Like Stanley, I don't believe Netanyahu.

    It looks to me like the Israeli plan is to systematically and efficiently reduce the place to rubble, and let disease take out those who don't die in the bombardments. There won't be anything to rebuild or anyone to rebuild it for.

    That paves the way for Israeli settlements once the international outrage dies down.

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  3. The Marshall Plan worked for Germany and Western Europe. On the other hand, nation-building didn't work for Afghanistan. Is Gaza similar to either of those cases, or is it its own case?

    Unless Israel agrees to the details of a rebuilding plan, I would expect it to be a non-starter. And unless Gazans agree to it, it would be a non-starter.

    How to keep Iranian influence out of Gaza? Any plan would have to address that question.

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  4. My point in bringing up the Marshall plan isn't to say that Hamas is the same as the Nazis or to agree with Netanyahu. I think he is a terrible leader and is just as bad as Trump. It is just that the humanitarian crisis is terrible and people are suffering, and it is the responsibility of all the parties to try somehow to remediate the suffering. Of course the PTB aren't going to listen to me anyway.
    The worst part is that Israeli intelligence saw this whole thing coming but the leaders wouldn't listen.

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    1. Either they didn't listen or they wanted their own 9/11. You and I don't think that way, Katherine, but I wouldn't put it past Netanyahu. Right now, most jews all around the world as well as Israel are rallying around the flag. Even in quarters that were critical of Netanyahu. I agree with Jean that the Israeli government believes attention fatigue will set in and then they'll do whatever they want.

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    2. I understand, and I agree it's terrible. Raber donates as much as he can to CNEWA, but it looks like their operatives have not been able to get access to Gaza for weeks.

      Writing letters to elected officials and political candidates at least lets them know where you stand.

      Biden has probably done more than he gets credit for by pressing for aid trucks to get in, brokering a "pause" and hostage exchange, moving hospital patients to Egypt, and signaling that Israel risks US aid long-term by pursuing its scorched earth policy.

      Biden seems to want to try to relieve the pressure gradually to prevent an all-out conflagration. That may be the best course in the long-run. But it means that suffering in Gaza will continue.

      I truly hope there will be some major policy changes re Israel on our part designed to discourage mad dogs like Netanyahu from going crazy or getting elected in the first place. But first we have to prevent our own mad dogs from getting elected.

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  5. I think Colecchi does a good job laying out the mess.

    Nonviolent resistance? I suppose Palestinians working in Israel could strike, could demonstrate, etc. But given that their access to Israel is heavily curtailed by walls, ID cards, and checkpoints, they would not be not be able to take their demonstrations to Israel. They would not be allowed to demonstrate outside the Knesset, outside prisons where Palestinians are detained, not in illegal Israeli settlements. They'd also risk getting blown up as appeasers by Hamas et al. And that's all moot because there is no central unifying person or party that could get people on board the nonviolence train.

    What is happening in Gaza pretty much is a nonviolent demonstration, however involuntary. Palestinians are trying to comply with Israeli evacuation orders, trying to build safe refuges, trying to keep families together. And the Israelis look like storm troopers killing families, shutting down supply lines, and bombing shelters and ambulances. They are winning the PR war, but whether they can get organized enough to take advantage of that remains to be seen.

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    1. I think the point at which the Palestinians started winning the PR war was the moment when their casualties exceeded those of the Israelis. I think you are right that it is sort of an involuntary nonviolent demonstration. I don't know if people are making a distinction that the Palestinians aren't Hamas. If they can separate themselves from Hamas, they stand a better chance of cutting a better deal for themselves.

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  6. Well. The time has arrived. I'll be flying to Berlin tomorrow afternoon from Newark. Then immediately by train from Babylon Berlin to Gdańsk followed by Kraków, Zakopane, Wrocław, Dresden and back to Berlin and home. Of course, prayers for my safety are always welcome but pray especially that my cell phone works. Verizon says it will but you never know.
    Organizing the old family stuff, I found out my mother's parents never lived anywhere near Częstochowa. I'll go there anyway and pray for you all at the shrine, especially Anne and her husband.
    Will try to check in now and then until I get back on 23 Dec. Have a good December, my friends.

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    1. Safe travels! Pack your mittens and a warm hat!

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    2. Have safe travels, and an interesting and enjoyable trip, Stanley!

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    3. May God be with you on your journey.

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    4. Sounds wonderful, Stanley! I wish we could join you!

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