By now you've probably already heard about (and read about, and, if you are on Twitter, have been tweeted at about) Politico's blockbuster scoop: a Supreme Court draft majority opinion, penned by Justice Samuel Alito and joined by Justices Thomas, Gorsuch, Kavanaugh and Barrett, overturning Roe v Wade. An unknown leaker leaked, not only the vote (at least as it stands at the time of the leak), but the entire draft opinion, which Politico also published.
Earlier today, Chief Justice John Roberts confirmed the authenticity of the leaked document. A leak of this nature, and with this detail, is nearly without precedent. Roberts is said to be furious, and ordered an immediate investigation of this rare breach of Court protocol.
So what does it all mean? Attorney and columnist David French summarizes the situation with a welcome note of caution:
We have a draft opinion, not a final decision. We know there’s a leak, but we don’t know the identity of the leaker. And we know the final result will alter our politics, but we don’t know how much.
As much is still unknown, we're left to speculate. So, here is one amateur observer's reading of the tea leaves:
Q: Who is the leaker?
A: As of now, the leaker hasn't been identified. But the pool of suspects must be considered relatively small: according to an attorney friend of mine, the folks who would have access to a draft opinion would be the nine justices themselves, the justices' clerks (each justice has a handful) and perhaps some other Court staff members. My friend estimates that would work out to somewhere in the neighborhood of 50-75 people. Of course, in this age of electronic hackery and snoopery, it's possible that an outsider obtained unauthorized access to an electronic version of the document. An investigation presumably will look into all these possibilities.
Q: Why was the draft opinion leaked?
A: Until or unless the hacker is identified, the motive won't be crystal clear. The consensus speculation is the draft was leaked by someone affiliated with the Court who is unhappy with the decision. According to this theory, the strategy would be to gin up pressure in the media and the public that would induce one of the five justices in the majority to change his/her mind and vote to retain Roe. As this may be the most-anticipated decision by the Court since the Obamacare decision (at least), and considering the controversies that have erupted during most of the recent Supreme Court confirmation hearings, it must be considered possible that some of those with a stake in preserving the status quo would go to some lengths to try to influence justices to change their positions. Let us hope that the activism falls short of personal attacks and death threats against individual justices. But it's not difficult to imagine that calls to "pack" the Court will be forthcoming, as will criticism of the Court's legitimacy.
It's worth noting that other theories for leaking the draft opinion have been advanced. French highlighted a tweet from conservative pundit Michael Brendan Dougherty:
French also described a similar theory:
The leaker may know that a justice is wobbling and might want to leak to lock in his or her vote, so that he or she won’t be seen as caving to the mob.
Q: What does this leak mean for the Supreme Court?
A: It is a crisis. George Washington University law professor Jonathan Turley tweeted:
French notes, "
The leak represents an extraordinary breach of norms that dramatically undermines the process of deliberation and damages the legitimacy of the court. If the leaker is a court clerk, he or she should be fired and disbarred. If the leaker is a justice, he or she should be impeached and convicted. SCOTUSblog described the stakes well:
SCOTUSblog @SCOTUSblogIt’s impossible to overstate the earthquake this will cause inside the Court, in terms of the destruction of trust among the Justices and staff. This leak is the gravest, most unforgivable sin.May 3rd 2022
22,515 Retweets107,025 LikesLeaks open up justices to threats and pressure. Leaks mean that justices can’t trust their colleagues or their clerks. And this leak in particular comes at a time when America’s public institutions face a crisis of public trust. It has dragged the court into the muck and mire at precisely the time when the justices—individually and collectively—had done an admirable job at preserving the institution’s independence and credibility.
Q: What does this mean for American politics?
A: Some random thoughts:
- This leak surely will prime the public's expectations for whatever the final decision is. If the final decision is in line with what has been leaked, then the final decision will confirm what the public already has been led to expect. On the other hand, if the final decision diverges substantially from what has been leaked, then we can expect at least part of the public to be initially confused, and possibly to misunderstand what the Court has decided, because the public's minds have been "pre-wired" to expect what was leaked
- If the final decision stands as signaled by the leak, the leak gives both sides additional time to plan their reactions and their go-forward strategies. The Alito draft represents one of a range of possible decisions - to be sure, one that would have been deemed as among the most likely. But it was not the only possibility. For example, speculation is now rampant that Chief Judge Roberts, who did not join the draft Alito opinion, supported a less decisive break with the status quo - perhaps by voting in favor of the Mississippi law that set the limit on abortions to 15 weeks of pregnancy. Now, activists must proceed with the understanding that the Alito draft is very likely to be the actual decision
- Will this decision ultimately lower the temperature of abortion as a public issue? French thinks it's possible. He notes that abortion rates are considerably lower now than they were in the 1980s. He cites evidence that people's views of abortion are sufficiently complex that they don't fit neatly into "Abortion is always to be allowed / Abortion is never to be allowed" set of extremes that has characterized (caricatured?) abortion politics. And perhaps most importantly, abortion will continue to be available in many places in the United States. We can expect "abortion tourism" to continue to grow, as pregnant women who live in states with restrictions seek more states with more permissive laws. And we can expect to see mail order abortion pill orders to increase.
Interesting and unprecedented move. I don't see how this would change the opinion of any of the Republican justices. People protest all the time. Do any politicians or judges care one way or another? What concerns me most is the crazy shift of power to state legislatures. Those folks are loopier than federal level. Anne has every reason to be afraid for her grandchildren. The problem with originalism, if that's what this is, is that some founders were trying to preserve some pretty nasty stuff and had some scary viewpoints.
ReplyDeleteStanley, What concerns me most is the crazy shift of power to state legislatures. Those folks are loopier than federal level.
DeleteStanley, commentators are now reminding us that “states rights” were used to support the Jim Crow laws, maintaining legal segregation until the 60s, and finding ways to prevent African Americans from voting. “States rights” was the buzz phrase used to justify state sanctioned discrimination. The states had the ‘right” to make their own laws. Now states will have the “right” to ban abortion.
What next?
At least a couple of GOP members of Congress have already said that it should be up to the states to legislate marriage laws, implying that some will work to make gay marriage illegal again. One GOP Senator said that states should have the right to ban contraception and interracial marriage if they want to. The statement about interracial marriage raised enough of a firestorm that he had to walk it back. He was a Senator from Oklahoma as I recall.
Yes - I am terrified about what my grandchildren will experience in the country that “ conservatives “ are creating.
The leak is a very bad thing but hardly surprising given the way the Court has become a primary focal point in the culture wars generally and Roe specifically. Somebody was bound to start playing dirty.
ReplyDeleteOverturning Roe may call other reproductive rights into question despite Alito's attempts to anticipate that in his opinion draft. Certainly, rightly or wrongly, that concern will be amplified by the pro Roe faction.
Meantime, do-it-yourselfers are dragging the Del-Ems out of mothballs (I haven't seen those since 1970), and rolling abortion clinics are mobilizing. These measures will be entirely unregulated, and that chills my blood. https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2022/05/roe-v-wade-overturn-abortion-rights/629366/
As for turning down the temperature on abortion? I think it is very unrealistic to think that the court can take away what many people see as a right without expecting a good deal of civil unrest and probably violence.
I guess if the US had guaranteed prenatal care, paid maternal leave of at least three months, and infant day care subsidies supported by Roe's angriest opponents, I'd say we were headed in a more humane direction. But overturning Roe where we are now strikes me as more about punishment than about concern for life.
I dread the rhetoric and generalizations that are coming. Already read a tweet from a woman climate scientist: "Why do Christians hate women?" What do I tweet back? "Why do feminists hate embryos?" Thinking of leaving Twitter.
DeleteYah, I don't look at Twitter. I get too aggravated. It's all just lies, provocation, and sloganeering. Everybody sounds like an idiot over there, even people I agree with.
DeleteJust zonked my Twitter account. Even experts manage to say something dumb by going outside their area.
DeleteJean, I had read that Atlantic article. I previously didn't know what "Del-Ems" were. Sounds quite dangerous, barely one degree better than coat hangers. Some pro-choice voices are pushing to allow CNAs or medical assistants to do abortions. Easy peasy, like pulling a tooth, supposedly. Except no one is going to let a dental assistant do a tooth extraction.
DeleteEven in the years after Roe abortion clinics have been considered on the shady side, and medical students don't want to become experienced with abortion procedures. Because most of them go into the profession to try and save lives. That is the elephant in the room, abortion does take a life. Even leaving aside questions of ensoulment or personhood, which are metaphysical.
I may be the only person here who ever saw the inside of an abortion clinic, knew people who worked there, or took care of friends after an abortion. My views about abortion have evolved, but clinics are not shady, though I can see how it would be comforting to think that. What's shady is a bunch of Wiccans with Del-Ems driving around in vans and scam artists selling fake abortion pills to desperate women. I guess there's an argument that that post-Roe scenario will scare women away from street abortions, so all to the good. If the antiabortion folks are truly concerned about women, they would be reaching out to clinics to try to understand the women who get abortions and how to help them.
DeleteJean, I have also cared for a young woman who had an abortion. She did not tell me until after it was done, so I wasn’t at the clinic with her. I had to help her recover emotionally. She is not religious, and is strongly pro- choice, but she would have continued the pregnancy if she had been able to see a way to care for a baby after its father disappeared into the ether on learning of the pregnancy. She thought he would stay with her and be a father. His betrayal devastated her. She has no family support and she finally turned to me. I also learned in the last 20 years about a couple of other abortions among friends that were done pre- Roe, in the late 60s and early 70s. Mexico borders California and abortion tourism is already up there. Irish women went to England before abortion was legalized there.
DeleteBanning abortion just forces the most desperate women, two- thirds of whom are poor- into seeking illegal abortions. Some will be maimed and some will die. But the alleged pro-life people aren’t much concerned about their lives. Jean, I was a card-carrying donor to The National Right to Life organization for years. But as I encountered more of what real life is for women, my position also evolved. I studied up on embryonic and fetal development, also and realized that while embryos are potential human beings they are not persons. Knowing the moment personhood exists is not possible. The claim that it exists from the moment of conception rests on religious grounds and religious folk should not have a right to impose their beliefs on all. I would have no objection to limiting abortion on demand to 12 weeks, when all the biological systems are basically formed - longer in the relatively rare cases when abortion before viability is needed to save the life of the woman. Under current law, 2/3 of abortions are done in the first 8 weeks, and more than 90% in the first 12. Oklahoma will ban abortion for victims of rape and incest. Before it lit off a firestorm, the draft legislation also would have banned abortions to remove ectopic pregnancies.
Catholics like Biden and Pelosi are elected officials. Their oaths are to represent the people, not christian churches. It is their duty to refrain from imposing their personal religious beliefs on all. Religious freedom should not be reserved for Catholics, Mormons and evangelicals who oppose abortion.
Anne, as I said above: "I guess if the US had guaranteed prenatal care, paid maternal leave of at least three months, and infant day care subsidies supported by Roe's angriest opponents, I'd say we were headed in a more humane direction. But overturning Roe where we are now strikes me as more about punishment than about concern for life."
DeleteRaber and I disagree about abortion in some ways, but neither of us can do anything to change what may come from the coyrt or legislatures. We both feel that we should be alert to ways to support women in the realities of a post Roe world.
I support the St Ann’s Center near DC. I first did so years ago when it was just St Ann’s Infant Home, caring for poor women with babies who had no homes, no support. Over the years it has expanded to provide long- term, but temporary, housing for women and children. I’ve provided links here several times. Besides the early care provided after birth, St. Ann’s provides job training and other education for the women there so that they can earn enough to support themselves and their children in a halfway decent manner. I vote for politicians who work to expand social safety nets.
DeleteThe anti- abortion crowd seem totally indifferent to the women. They think that coins collected in baby bottles at church provides support. They donate millions of $ to elect politicians who fight social safety net legislation tooth and nail. As far as I can tell, no more than 10% of those who self- define as pro-life give a damn about the women. They don’t put their money or their time into truly helping them. As far as I’m concerned, judgmental person that I am, the alleged pro- life people are simply a bunch of holier than thou hypocrites.
I have to admit that I really don't understand people who oppose abortion politically. I understand the the religious belief that no one has a right to take a human life. But what I don't understand is the idea that the unborn are the most worthy, most precious human beings. (There were among the "pro-lifers" those who wanted the Catholic Church to count aborted babies as martyrs. The Vatican said no. I can't find the relevant document, though.) So many embryos are lost—a huge number before the mother even knows that conception has taken place—that if we worry so much about the fate of aborted babies, we must worry also about the fate of the far greater number of embryos who die of "natural causes."
ReplyDeleteI do not think, however, that a lot of politically motivated opponents of abortion care so much about unborn babies and the fate of the aborted. I think they care about their side scoring victories
I've heard that claim, that tons of embryos are lost before the mother knows she's pregnant. No one really knows, because how would it be proven? Anyway, there's a difference between something that happens accidentally by an act of nature, and something caused by human intervention.
DeleteI do agree with you about politically motivated opponents caring more about scoring political victories.
To David's point about embryonic life: l was taken aback during my first miscarriage in the 1980s by doctor, who was a retiree who moonlighted in the ER, asking me "did you really want this baby?"
DeleteI suppose that providing care might necessitate asking a woman if she had tried to abort and botched it. But when you are in both physical distress and already feel like a failure for losing the baby, it is a bit upsetting.
If Roe is overturned, that question will be standard and will trigger arrests in states where pre Roe abortion laws called for prosecution of women who had or sought abortions.
It will be interesting to see if politicians who were adamantly anti Roe will as adamantly fight to overturn maternal prosecutions.
Somehow sincerely doubt it. Because they aren’t concerned about the lives of the desperate, poor women who are most of those seeking abortions. Poor wome, women of color will always be under suspicion if they arrive at a hospital mid spontaneous abortion.
DeleteHas anyone noticed this interesting trend? The following examples are from the Washington Post, but I have seen the same elsewhere:
ReplyDeleteIt would be pregnant individuals suddenly stripped of a right they had been guaranteed for almost half a century. Wealthy people would be able to cross state lines to end their pregnancies. . . . Poor people would be forced either to carry unwanted pregnancies to term . . . .
Constitution’s guarantees of personal autonomy demand that pregnant people be able to make the difficult decision about whether to end their pregnancy according to the dictates of their own conscience.
People who get pregnant are no longer assumed to be women. I assume this is an effort to include transgender or nonbinary individuals. It sounds strange to me now, but I distinctly remember the first time heard someone described as "Native American," and I hadn't a clue what it meant.
I have noticed that "...people who get pregnant are no longer assumed to be women". But I can't get my head around it. It seems a denial of reality.
DeleteYah, "pregnant people" or "people who menstruate" has roiled up a lot of acrimony between some feminists and trans or none binary folks.
DeleteI want to tolerate people if they are born into some atypical psychobiological identity but I get a bit ruffled when they start redefining ME into some new framework. Suddenly I'm cisgender. Or abled. Or straight. What's straighf about any sexuality? Especially with the one that can cause pregnancy. But, right, there IS a cure for that in some states.
DeleteSome people like pissing off other people with labels is all I can figure.
DeleteSigh. I liked it better when we were talking about the joys of Easter. I think I'll bow out until more is known about the SCOTUS leak and what the final decision on Roe turns out to be.
ReplyDeleteYes. It's like doubling the troubling.
DeleteGood idea, Jean.
DeleteAs it appears we may be entering a new, post-Roe world, I would simply say that all of the policies being discussed in the comments here should be on the table. If there are gaps in the social safety net for care for pregnant women, post-partum women, pre-born infants, birth and delivery, newborns, and children at later stages of age/development, then we should all be thinking about ways to address those problems. There is nothing to prevent any of us from contacting our state and federal representatives, nor from supporting and being active in advocacy groups for these issues.
ReplyDeleteDemocrats are in power, for now, in the White House and both houses of Congress. Care for women and children is supposed to be a policy "sweet spot" for them. Perhaps some realistic legislative proposals will be forthcoming at a federal level. In the wake of this leak, all I've heard from our many pro-choice elected officials are reactions ranging from angry to nearly unhinged, but perhaps, when everyone calms down, they can go about doing their jobs of making and executing laws. But based on what I have heard so far, all I have heard is rhetoric about "extreme" this and "fundamental right" that and "women's bodies" the other thing. I think I can be forgiven for concluding that their initial reaction is more about the November elections than the health of women and children. And that after November, they're going to focus more on "restoring" this "right" than on addressing safety-net issues.
Jim,
DeleteYou say: And that after November, they're going to focus more on "restoring" this "right" than on addressing safety-net issues.
Why the scare quotes? There existed a constitutional right to abortion for almost half a century. Now the court appears to be on the verge of rescinding that right. If the talking heads I listen to are correct, this will be the first time SCOTUS ever withdrew a right. Other major reversals by the court have advanced liberty, but this one will restrict liberty. I understand that many people think that Roe was "wrongly decided," but that doesn't mean abortion has not been a constitutional right since 1973. And I understand that many think abortion is a form of murder and should not be a constitutional right. But it has been a right, and a right that fairly consistently has been exercised by 1 in 4 American women. So a choice that 1 in 4 women has opted for is apparently about to lose constitutional protection, and if it does, will automatically become a crime (or soon be criminalized) in an estimated 28 states. That is a very big deal.
That is interesting about the Supreme Court not having previously withdrawn a right (although surely the antebellum Court abridged the rights of escaped slaves). There certainly are instances of the Constitution having been amended to take away rights which the Constitution had previously granted, at least by implication (slavery, drink). But those weren't unilateral acts of the Supreme Court. Roe was a case of the Court unilaterally (and wrongly) creating a right where none existed before, and perhaps now the Court will, in the course of correcting that egregious error, abrogate that right. So be it.
DeleteConstitutional amendment is an avenue open to pro-choice activists. It's being pursued now for some state constitutions.
Jean said I liked it better when we were talking about the joys of Easter.
ReplyDeleteI agree.
The continuing issues of the Virus and the war in Ukraine are both more important issues.
We have had a million deaths from Covid in the US; a very contagious and lethal variant could easily bring us back into lockdown, impair our economy long term, and bring us another million deaths in a manner of months not years.
In the case of Ukraine, like the Cuban missile crisis we are at the edge of nuclear war. After the collapse of the Soviet Union, it was revealed that Soviet Generals on the ground in Cuba had the authority to use tactical nuclear missiles. What would have happened if we had tried another Bay of Pigs episode? Maybe the Soviets would have used nuclear weapons against our landing force and ships?
I had hoped that both issues from external enemies would have brought us together as a nation and encouraged us to solve issues more in our control like abortion, immigration, and racial harmony. That has not happened; we seem to fear and want to defeat the enemies at home more than those from abroad.
Are we now going tol enter into an abortion Civil War from which there will be no exit, letting us fall into a self-destruction of our own making without any help from viruses or foreign enemies.
Not being pessimistic just realistic. The way forward lies in facing together a possibility of a devastating pandemic, a nuclear war, and climate change. We have to put all the issues that divide us on the back burner.
Nuclear war, plague, climate change. These are more critical than abortion. Now abortion is adding to the tumult and distraction and solving these problems is much more difficult.
DeleteYou'd almost think that the purpose of the leak was to distract and rile people up, and keep them from actually getting anything done.
DeleteOur billionaires regardless of their political or religious views have a vested interest in keeping the people riled up about things other than their obscene wealth.
DeleteHeather Cox Richardson, professor of history at BC, blog today.
ReplyDeleteYou can read it without giving up your email address. Those with FB can also read her blog there.
https://heathercoxrichardson.substack.com/p/may-4-2022?s=r
« The uproar over the leaked draft of the Supreme Court decision overturning Roe v. Wade continues. You can tell just how furious the reaction has been by the fact that establishment Republicans are desperately trying to turn the public conversation to the question of who leaked the document. They are baselessly blaming the opposition to the decision—a Newsmax host blamed Judge Ketanji Brown Jackson, who hasn’t even taken her seat yet—for the leak ……. The draft decision takes a sweepingly broad position against Roe v. Wade, declaring that the Fourteenth Amendment cannot protect the right to abortion because such a right is not “deeply rooted in this Nation’s history and tradition.” This opens the door to similar attacks on constitutional rights previously established by the Supreme Court: the right to use birth control, marry regardless of race and gender lines, and engage in sexual intimacy between consenting adults.
Republican lawmakers are downplaying the reach of the apparent decision, avoiding the question of whether gay rights are next on the chopping block. Bryan Metzger of Business Insider asked “nearly a dozen” Republican senators whether they think the draft decision overturning Roe v. Wade threatens the 2015 Obergefell v. Hodges decision recognizing the right to same-sex marriage, and whether they supported overturning the Obergefell decision. Metzger wrote: “None gave a clear yes or no answer, and several outright declined to comment.” A year ago, seventy percent of Americans supported gay marriage.
The popularity of civil rights might not matter much: law professors Melissa Murray and Leah Litman noted in the Washington Post that “[p]erhaps the most stunning feature of the opinion is that its indignant tone and aggressive reasoning make clear how empowered this conservative majority believes itself to be.”…….. The draft decision has been a clarifying moment for the country. Washington Post columnist Jennifer Rubin told journalists to stop referring to the convulsions in the country today as “culture wars,” as if they were “a battle between two sides over hemlines or movie ratings.” Instead, she wrote, “This is religious tyranny…in which the right seeks to break through all restraints on government power in an effort to establish a society that aligns with a minority view of America as a White, Christian country.” ……… This moment seems to echo the days after the 1857 Dred Scott v Sandford decision took away voters’ ability to stop the spread of human enslavement. Like the draft decision we have seen this week, that decision was clearly political and drew on appallingly bad history to reach a conclusion that gave extraordinary power to the country’s wealthiest men. Horace Greeley, the prominent editor of the New York Daily Tribune, wrote that the Dred Scott decision was “entitled to just so much moral weight as would be the judgment of a majority of those congregated in any Washington bar-room.” ……
1. This leaked document is not a decision. It's a draft of an opinion which may or may not prevail with the court. The Court may not even go in the same direction as this leaked draft. It's possible the Court will uphold Roe. Or preserve the Constitutional right to an abortion but impose stricter limits than those in place today. Or do something completely different and unexpected.
Delete2. As for gay marriage, interracial marriage et al: if we take this leaked draft as a proxy for what the Court will actually decide, then we know we these things will not get rolled back. How do we know that? Because Justice Alito went to such great and explicit lengths, in the leaked document itself, to distinguish abortion from other issues; and because a majority of justices, in signing onto this draft opinion, are endorsing Alito's line of reasoning. Thus, we have documentary evidence that the Court, as currently constituted, will *not* roll back those Constitutional rights. And it's a pretty fair guess that those five justices wouldn't be the only justices on the current court who would oppose rolling back rights to gay marriage, interracial marriage, et al. Short of an actual vote on an actual case, I don't know what could better demonstrate that this is not something to worry about.
Jim, do you seriously think that just because Alito says something it’s true forever? Three recent appointments to the SC maintained - under oath- that Roe v Wade was “ settled law”. Roe v Wade set a precedent in fact. Apparently they decided that manipulating words to mislead isn’t technically actually lying under oath.
DeleteIf this ruling on R v W stands, it won’t be long before a gay marriage case makes it to the SC, pushed by the same conservative religious groups who seek to officially declare that the US is a “christian” nation. Interracial marriage was ruled illegal in the 1960s in Virginia, with the judge openly stating that it was due to his religious beliefs that God does not want the separate races to marry. The SC overruled the judge, but it definitely could find some way to allow individual states to ban interracial marriage. Come on, these people are all lawyers, highly skilled at manipulating the words in our laws to mean something they really don’t. .
“Originalists” may easily decide to roll back other laws, dismissing precedents they don’t like. I am not a lawyer, but at this point I have read multiple articles explaining exactly how that could be done. These religious conservatives are essentially pushing to go back to “states rights” taking precedence over federal laws. This was how they enacted Jim Crow laws and managed to keep segregation in their states all the way into the late 60s. Lawyers and judges can find ways to “interpret” the constitution to suit the dominant political forces. As far as originalism is concerned, now that there are a majority who lean that way on the SC, legal gay and interracial marriage, and even contraception actually could become the next rights to be abrogated - if the extreme religious “christian” conservatives are emboldened by their victory on abortion, they may quickly regroup and start their next battle in their quest to impose their religious views on all, to create a form of theocracy. They will start with gay marriage laws.,
From an article during the Gorsuch confirmation hearing -
Originalism proclaims that the Constitution should be interpreted according to how it was understood at the time of its ratification in 1789 and similarly for amendments, starting in 1791. Policy arguments and the consequences of different interpretations simply do not matter. For originalists, the Constitution is not alive; it is dead, static.
Justice Clarence Thomas is an uncompromising originalist. Thus, he rejects non-originalist precedent, which is virtually all there is. Thomas would not only change the law on abortion and declare the Affordable Care Act unconstitutional, but he likely would also do the same with Social Security, Medicaid, the Pure Food and Drug Act, most environmental laws and many others. His reason is that the commerce clause was understood to be very limited in 1789
And, I suspect, the possibility of gay marriage also never entered the minds of anyone in 1789.
It will be interesting to see how the Supreme Court decision affects politics at the state level. Remember that the majority of Americans are neither totally for nor totally against abortion. They are likely be looking for politicians in the middle, e.g., Obama’s safe, legal and rare abortions.
ReplyDeleteHere in Ohio, DeWine did win the Republican Primary for governor, but he did not get the majority of the vote. He had quite a few opponents who resented how he had handled the pandemic with social distancing and mask mandates that they felt had injured business in Ohio.
DeWine's opponent in the general election will be the first woman candidate for Governor who will basically be running against the Republican domination of state politics with its ample evidence of corruption. Many Republicans and Independents may look upon her veto as a way to control the strong Republican majorities in the legislature.
For the Senate, Vance endorsed by Trump will be up against Tim Ryan, a Democrat who was against abortion ten years ago. I suspect that he like Biden has had to keep up with his party’s move to the left on this issue. He may be looked upon as being in the middle on the abortion issue, while Vance may be seen as a dangerous right-wing Republican.
The Democrats have a woman running for Supreme Court Chief Justice.
While many people have talked about Ohio now being a Red State rather than a swing state, I think that there is a strong tendency in American politics to want to balance the parties and not let one party dominate. We will see if that works out this November in Ohio.
DeWine and Portman basically got elected as centrist Republicans; perhaps the Democrats will now be seen as the centrists holding out against Republican right wing domination of state politics.
Thanks for that recap, Jack. I really like Tim Ryan.
DeleteOne of the most intriguing explanations of the leak is that it alters the fall elections four to six weeks earlier than it had it not been leaked.
ReplyDeleteThe Democrats now have the option of beginning to portray themselves as the guardians of American rights to abortion, birth control, gay marriage, healthcare, and social security and Republicans as radical right wingers threatening the status quo. An extra four to six weeks could really help Democratic candidates rethink and refashion how they portray themselves to become not the progressive but the centrist opposite to right wing Republicanism.
It is hard to imagine that the leak will change the final decision or discredit the Supreme Count any more than it will be anyway. However, four to six weeks could really change the fall elections from a Republican victory to a Democratic victory. The Republicans can run against the incumbent White House and Congress, but the Democrats can run against a potentially entrenched Republican Supreme Court with a capacity to change American lives perhaps more powerfully than of the Congress or the Presidency.
"The Republicans can run against the incumbent White House and Congress"
DeleteYes. I would expect Republicans all over the country to hammer the issues of inflation, school curriculum, inflation, Biden's handling of the pandemic, and inflation. And if it turns out that what we're on the brink of right now is a recession, then we can add the economy to that list. And inflation.
Abortion won't be treated consistently from one district and state to another. The received wisdom is that all voters made up their mind on abortion long ago, so no candidate can stake out a position on abortion that will induce any voters to change their minds. Therefore, if the candidate is in a pro-life district, and the opponent is pro-choice, then expect the Republican candidate to hammer abortion as a topic. In purple or blue districts, expect the Republican candidate to revert to inflation and the economy.
"Abortion won't be treated consistently from one district and state to another."
DeleteI think that's probably right.
Michigan's attorney general race seems to shaping up with abortion at the center. Current AG Dana Nessel says that she would not prosecute cases if Michigan reverts to its 1931 law (life if the mother only exception), though prosecution is actually up to county prosecutors, not her.
Matt Deperno, her Trump-approved GOP challenger, has opined that he wants no exceptions, apparently signalling he would work to close the life of the mother loophole.
Michigan has a number of restrictive laws on abortion and access to birth control by minors that have been hammered out by legislative compromise, so not sure how Deperno's doubling down will play.
Given massive advancements in knowledge about maternal health since 1931, doctors say that the "preserve the life of the mother" clause puts them in a huge legal gray area. Exactly what constitutes preserving the life of the mother, especially where preexisting conditions are concerned, would likely have to be defined by court case. And doctors just love getting in hauled in to court. Possibly an increase in the number of docs getting out of obstetrics?
Whether abortion as an issue radiates to legislative and congressional races remains to be seen.
Jean - what Abba Eban said about Arabs could equally be said about Trumpite politicians: they never miss an opportunity to miss an opportunity. I'd expect DePerno's anti-abortion maximalism won't play well in a purplish state like Michigan. But I've been wrong many times.
DeleteWhat opportunity is Deperno missing? I don't get your analogy, I guess.
DeleteThe Michigan Republicans have firmly aligned themselves with Trumpism. Rural Republicans like it. Urban Republicans not so much, but they are the party's minority now. Folks like Pete Meijer over in Grand Rapids are treading carefully. Certainly they will stick to inflation inflation inflation.
I'm just guessing he's missing the opportunity to win an election :-)
DeleteOh, I get it. Doh. Slow on the uptake. Too many things on my mind. I found a recipe for vegan sloppy joes, and I don't know if Raber will find them a tasty and clever way to further his heart healthy diet, or grouse about my trying to "poison" him with meat deprivation.
DeleteToo many in the « pro- life »:movement seem totally unconcerned about the lives of the women who face an unplanned pregnancy, unconcerned about the emotional trauma they expérience because of it, the fear. The awfulness of the decision they face. Thé « pro- life » folk, after demonstrating in the streets, will go home to their safe, comfortable worlds and continue on. Should one of their daughters get pregnant, they will usually not abandon her, but will support her and her child for as many years - YEARS- as is needed until she can afford to live and care for her child. Others will quietly sneak the daughter to a doctor to get an abortion.
ReplyDeleteA friend of mine was a volunteer for years, working with teen age girls in our affluent, high grad degree, family community. In my high school and college years, before Roe, several girls got pregnant, including in my Catholic all- women college. Most of these girls got married in short order. Of course, they were too young, not yet completed their educational, so, unsurprisingly, these marriages experienced a high divorce rate later.
In 50 years in our current town, I have never heard of a single teen or college pregnancy. Not a single one. The kids here are not particularly virtuous, and that includes the Catholic school kids, There have been more than one Catholic school kids drinking/ drugs/ sex parties that made the WaPo. The scenario described during Brett Kavanaughs confirmation hearing does indeed describe the party scene of the « cool » , including Catholic school, kids here. No rumors of college daughter pregnancies either. My friend who volunteered with the teenagers said that of course pregnancies happened, just as they do elsewhere. But the parents, including « devout »:Catholic parents didn’t want the whole course of their daughter’s life changed for the worse. (My friend was in my Catholic parish). So while it is poor women who will be most affected by a ban on all abortions, the daughters of the middle and upper middle classes will be ok. Their parents will take them wherever they have to in order to obtain a safe abortion for them. I was reminded of this reality after reading the post on FB one of my nieces posted. She was raised in a devout Catholic family also. Catholic schools through 10th. It isn’t surprising that she left the RCC years ago, as soon as she was away from home.
Will there be a "ban on all abortion"? That question only can be answered state by state.
DeleteThe network news program we watch each evening shows a map with color-coded states: states which have abortion bans (to one extent or another) in a post-Roe world are colored red; states which wouldn't have bans are colored white. My state, Illinois, is white, while every state which borders Illinois (clockwise, that would be Wisconsin, Indiana, Kentucky, Missouri and Iowa) are colored red. But because Illinois is colored white, it seems likely that "abortion tourists" from adjoining states will flock to Illinois.
Contraception use is widespread, and birth control is more effective (and less expensive) than it was 30-40 years ago. This Guttmacher fact sheet suggests it's widely used.
https://www.guttmacher.org/fact-sheet/contraceptive-use-united-states
Like you, Anne, when I was in high school, I knew of classmates and girls in other high schools who became pregnant. When I was in high school in the late 1970s, abortion was legal, and contraception was available; but both contraception and abortion were complicated for teens in my day, not least because (if I am not mistaken) they required parental consent, and in my Catholic high school community in those days, parental consent for either option would have been unpredictable - certainly consent for an abortion would have been unlikely.
I'm pretty sure that the Catholic moms in our parish would be a lot more open to their daughters contracepting than would have been the case among my parents' generation.
I haven't heard of any rumors from my own children of their own peers getting pregnant as teens. I'll ask my daughters, who are in their 20s now, whether any of their peers in the local public high school were known to have become pregnant.
I don't think she will mind my mentioning: one of my sisters was a pregnant teen, back in the 1970s. My parents did what every single Catholic parent I've ever known of in that situation did: embraced our daughter, welcomed my nephew into the world and into our family, and did their best to help the young family. It wasn't all happiness and rainbows, and I'm certain my parents didn't approve of the circumstances that led to the pregnancy, but they responded with love.
DeleteHow families respond to pregnant teens or women with high risk pregnancies may be shocking, heartwarming or whatever. That's immaterial.
DeleteOverturning Roe means grappling with central questions about what legal rights fetal life has and to what extent those rights dictate when the state can intervene to insist that a woman carry that life to term or be punished for a crime.
My nieces FB post -
ReplyDeleteI'm not pro-murdering babies. That’s not what it’s about.
I'm pro-Becky who found out at her 20 week anatomy scan that the infant she had been so excited to bring into this world had developed without life sustaining organs.
I'm pro-Susan who was sexually assaulted on her way home from work, only to come to the horrific realization that her assailant planted his seed in her when she got a positive pregnancy test result a month later.
I'm pro-Theresa who hemorrhaged due to a placental abruption, causing her parents, spouse, and children to have to make the impossible decision on whether to save her or her unborn child.
I'm pro-little Cathy who had her innocence ripped away from her by someone she should have been able to trust and her 11 year old body isn't mature enough to bear the consequence of that betrayal.
I'm pro-Melissa who's working two jobs just to make ends meet and has to choose between bringing another child into poverty or feeding the children she already has because her spouse walked out on her.
I'm pro-Brittany who realizes that she is in no way financially, emotionally, or physically able to raise a child.
I'm pro-Emily who went through IVF, ending up with SIX viable implanted eggs requiring selective reduction in order to ensure the safety of her and a SAFE amount of fetuses.
I'm pro-Jessica who is FINALLY getting the strength to get away from her physically abusive spouse only to find out that she is carrying the monster's child.
I'm pro-Vanessa who went into her confirmation appointment after YEARS of trying to conceive only to hear silence where there should be a heartbeat.
I'm pro-Lindsay who lost her virginity in her sophomore year with a broken condom and now has to choose whether to be a teenage mom or just a teenager.
I'm pro-Courtney who just found out she's already 13 weeks along, but the egg never made it out of her fallopian tube so either she terminates the pregnancy or risks dying from internal bleeding.
You can argue and say that I'm pro-choice all you want, but the truth is:
I'm pro-life.
Their lives.
Women's lives.
You don't get to pick and choose which scenarios should be accepted.
It's not about which stories you don't agree with. It's about fighting for the women in the stories that you do agree with and the CHOICE that was made.
Women's rights are meant to protect ALL women, regardless of their situation!
#roevwade #prochoice #abortion #women #womensrights #mybody #mychoice #mybodymychoice #prochoiceisprolife #mindyouruterus
Time for all of us to support women's rights.
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Anne, your niece's post makes some powerful points. I've always wondered why no one seems to make the case for self-defense and the right to preserve one's own life as a moral principle in some of these hard cases. To use an analogy, war is an intrinsic evil. I don't think anyone could argue otherwise these days. Yet we cut soldiers some moral slack if they kill in self defense or in the defense of others. We don't say that kllling in war is a moral good. But we do say that sometimes it is the lesser of two evils.
DeleteKatherine, the same thoughts have crossed my mind many times.
DeleteI have purposely stayed away from too much coverage of the Alito draft and reaction to it. As Jim has noted, it's preliminary.
ReplyDeleteHowever, there doesn't seem to be much jubilation from Republicans who support the anti-abortion plank in their platform. I find that a little puzzling, given how long hard they've worked on that issue.
Maybe they're waiting to see what the final opinion looks like before they break out the parades.
Wondering if there will be triumphal sermons this Sunday, and how priests and bishops might frame this for parishioners: "Yay, we won, job well done" or "We have many new responsibilities in a post-Roe world."
Hoping folks will report in after Sunday.
Coincidentally, this Sunday is Mother's Day.
DeleteAs it happens, in our parish, the wives of the deacons are preaching this Sunday. I'm certain my wife won't "go there" on the abortion issue. Well, nearly certain: like the Supreme Court, her decision isn't yet final. But it would be a shock to me if she chooses to talk about abortion; she's not an activist, and she's smart enough to know that it's kind of a toxic topic.
"there doesn't seem to be much jubilation from Republicans who support the anti-abortion plank in their platform."
DeleteHey, c'mon - we're all really old. If we tried to click our heels, we'd end up in traction.
I've noticed the same thing about the muted reaction. One can only assume that, as with the Democrat/pro-choice reactions, a lot of the reaction has been pre-planned. I think you're right that part of it is playing wait-and-see until the decision is actually released; this lesson was learned with the Obamacare decision. Part of it is discipline (at least on the part of the un-Trump set of elected officials - McConnell and folks of that ilk): there is an election coming up, so stick to the talking points, which are inflation, school-curriculum-related issues, etc. Part of it, frankly, may be that most of us here don't consume much right-wing media so jubilation might be getting broadcast but we're not seeing or hearing it. Part of it is the realization that this decision, if it stands, doesn't actually end abortion. I'd expect the impact on the actual number of abortions will be marginal. In effect, what would be celebrated is the fixing of a law. That kind of thing doesn't always draw forth emotions. And part of it might be a dawning realization that nobody really understands what the future is going to mean, politically, socially, culturally, reproductively, etc.
A toxic topic in a Catholic church on Mother's Day?? I am astounded.
DeleteJim, I'm really, really glad I'm not expected to homilize. The most effort I have to put forth this Sunday is to play the entrance hymn. I'm sure your wife does a great job though.
DeleteJean asked why, in the wake of this leak which dangles before abortion opponents everything they ever wanted from the Supreme Court, more conservatives aren't out in the streets whooping, hollering and guzzling champagne from the bottle. Here is Andrew Sullivan on that question:
ReplyDelete"Abortion, if we wanted, could actually be an issue that restores health to a polarized polity by forcing us to come to various forms of compromise over an issue we’ve debated entirely in the abstract until now. We can no longer punt it.
"States can pursue different legal regimes, from the very permissive to the very restrictive, and the results can be weighed up. This fall, we have elections across the country. Remember federalism? This is a near-perfect reflection of its essential role in keeping this country in one piece. And, in my view, all of this actually calls the cheap, moralizing bluff of the religious right. Now they actually have to enforce and defend draconian bans — and see popular revulsion grow, unless they too can come up with a compromise. There’s a reason the GOP has been somewhat quiet about the substance of the leak. The smart ones are worried."
Jim says above:
DeleteThe received wisdom is that all voters made up their mind on abortion long ago, so no candidate can stake out a position on abortion that will induce any voters to change their minds.
Implicitly, the question has been are you for or against Roe. And most people have made up their minds about that.
If Roe is returned to the states, the questions likely to be faced, as Andrew Sullivan points out, involve cases of incest, rape, etc. Politicians will have to take stands on those issues.
As Andrew reports:
a Quinnipiac University survey from late last year, found that just 16 percent of Texans said abortion should be illegal in the cases of rape and incest. Fully 77 percent said it should be legal — in a socially conservative, red state. And even Republicans opposed making it illegal in those circumstances by a 2-to-1 margin.
The details of abortion law in the states will be up for grabs. The political winners are likely to be centrists in both the Republican and the Democratic parties because that is where the American people are.
I said nothing about guzzling champagne out of a bottle.
DeleteI frankly don't want to see the union stay together so badly that we have wildly varying laws that make abortion a legit medical procedure in one state and a homicide in another.
In my view, the Alito draft dodges the real issue by saying that there is no constitutional right to abortion. But he stops short of saying that fetal life has any constitutional protections that the states must follow.
It's premature to debate this because we don't know what the final opinion will be. But if fetal life has no definite rights, then how can we say there is not right it to end it?
Seems gutless to me not to directly address fetal rights directly and settle it one way or another.
"he political winners are likely to be centrists in both the Republican and the Democratic parties because that is where the American people are."
DeleteThat is a happy thought, but I fear there are forces in American politics which prevent solutions from landing in the happy middle. One is Twitter and the media more generally. Another is our system of awarding nominations via party primaries. Another is gerrymandering. Surely another is money.
"I said nothing about guzzling champagne out of a bottle."
DeleteTrue. That was my embellishment. Sorry if I offended.
Not offended. Just trying to keep it civil.
DeleteFor Jim's wife since she has to come up with a Mother's Day talk that doesn't just paraphrase every other Mother's Day reflection in every church in America - a different view of Mother's Day with some good point to ponder. It is by Anne Lamott. She is on FB and her page is available to all.
ReplyDeleteHere is my annual Mother’s Day post, ONLY for those of you who dread the holiday, dread having strangers, cashiers and waiters exclaim cheerfully, mindlessly, “Happy Mother’s Day!” when it is a day that, for whatever reason, makes you feel deeply sad. I told Neal last year that I didn’t think I’d run it, because I always get so much hate mail, and he said, “It’s never stopped you before.”
This is for those of you who may feel a kind of sheet metal loneliness on Sunday, who had an awful mother, or a mother who recently died, or wanted to be a mother but didn't get to have kids, or had kids who ended up breaking your hearts. I wrote about how I’m still getting over having had Nikki as a mother, and how I miss her, 20 years after her passing, in Dusk Night Dawn. If you love the day and have or had a great mom and happy, highly successful kids, maybe skip this:
I did not raise my son, Sam, to celebrate Mother’s Day. I didn’t want him to feel some obligation to buy me pricey lunches or flowers, some obligatory annual display of gratitude. Perhaps Mother’s Day will come to mean something to me as I grow even dottier in my dotage, and I will find myself bitter and distressed when Sam dutifully ignores the holiday. Then he will feel ambushed by my expectations, and he will retaliate by putting me away even sooner than he was planning to — which, come to think of it, would be even more reason for me to resist Mother’s Day.
But Mother’s Day celebrates a huge lie about the value of women: that mothers are superior beings, that they have done more with their lives and chosen a more difficult path. Ha! Every woman’s path is difficult, and many mothers were as equipped to raise children as wire monkey mothers. I say that without judgment: It is true. An unhealthy mother’s love is withering.
The illusion is that mothers are automatically more fulfilled and complete. But the craziest, grimmest people this Sunday will be many mothers themselves, stuck herding their own mothers and weeping or sullen children and husbands’ mothers into seats at restaurants or parkettes. These mothers do not want a box of chocolate. They may have announced for a month that they are trying not to eat sugar. Oh well, eat up.
I hate the way the holiday makes all non-mothers, and the daughters of dead mothers, and the mothers of dead or lost children, feel the deepest kind of grief and failure. The non-mothers must sit in their churches, temples, mosques, recovery rooms and pretend to feel good about the day while they are excluded from a holiday that benefits no one but Hallmark and See’s. There is no refuge — not at the horse races, movies, malls, museums. Even the turn-off-your-cellphone announcer is going to open by saying, “Happy Mother’s Day!”
You could always hide in a nice seedy bar, I suppose. Or an ER.
It should go without saying that I also hate Valentine’s Day, even those years when I’ve had a boyfriend or some random husband.
Mothering perpetuates the dangerous idea that all parents are somehow superior to non-parents. Meanwhile, we know that many of the most evil people in the country are politicians who have weaponized parenthood.
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Anne Lamott - continued
ReplyDeleteDon’t get me wrong: There were a million times I could have literally died of love for my son, and I’ve felt stoned on his rich, desperate love for me. I felt it yesterday when I was in despair. But I bristle at the whispered lie that you can know this level of love and self-sacrifice only if you are a parent. What a crock! We talk about “loving one’s child” as if a child were a mystical unicorn. A majority of American parents secretly feel that if you have not had and raised a child, your capacity for love is somehow diminished. They secretly believe that non-parents cannot possibly know what it is to love unconditionally, to be selfless, to put yourself at risk for the gravest loss. But in my experience, it’s parents who are prone to exhibit terrible self-satisfaction and selfishness, who can raise children as adjuncts, like rooms added on in a remodel. Often their children’s value and achievements in the world are reflected glory, necessary for these parents’ self-esteem, and sometimes for the family’s survival. This is how children’s souls are destroyed.
But my main gripe with Mother’s Day is that it feels incomplete and imprecise. The main thing that ever helped mothers was other people mothering them, including aunties and brothers; a chain of mothering that keeps the whole shebang afloat. I am the woman I grew to be partly in spite of my mother, who unconsciously raised me to self-destruct; and partly because of the extraordinary love of her best friends, my own best friends’ mothers, and from surrogates, many of whom were not women at all but gay men. I have loved them my entire life, including my mom, even after their passing.
No one is more sentimentalized in America than mothers on Mother’s Day, but no one is more often blamed for the culture’s bad people and behavior. You want to give me chocolate and flowers? Great. I love them both. I just don’t want them out of guilt, and I don’t want them if you’re not going to give them to all the people who helped mother children. But if you are going to include everyone, then make mine something like M&M’s, and maybe flowers you picked yourself, even from my own garden, the cut stems wrapped in wet paper towels, then tin foil and a waxed-paper bag from my kitchen drawer. I don’t want something special. I want something beautifully plain. Like everything else, it can fill me only if it is ordinary and available to all.
Over time I found ways to celebrate Mothers Day constructively. I say a prayer for my mother's soul. I hope she is at peace. I ask forgiveness for my many shortcomings as a parent. I say a prayer for struggling mothers. I say a prayer for mothers who have lost children through death, miscarriage, estrangement, and abortion.
DeleteI certainly don't expect people in normal families to stop celebrating. And most homilies will continue to celebrate motherhood however much it seems like a sentimental fiction to some of us. That's our problem, not theirs.
The Catholic saints offer many ways to "mother" others--Ss Francis, Martin de Porres, Catherine of Siena, Cuthbert, Aidan, Brigid ... just to name a few! Saying thank you for their examples is always good.
It's weird how nobody seems to get very angsty over Father's Day. Maybe lower expectations. Personally I don't love Mother's Day. I don't hate it either. It's Sunday. I love Sunday because it's the Lord's day, and a day of rest. I don't have to do anything I don't want to do. If the kids and my sisters want to call me, I'll be around. But they call me fairlyboften anyway. My husband said Sonic has shakes for half price if you order through the app. He can make mine caramel.
DeleteI think The Boy gave me a Mothers Day gift for the first time last year. It was a mini pie maker. I racked my brains trying to think how me and pies could possibly be connected in his brain. Then I saw that the Meijer's had a sale on them.
DeleteEnjoy your shake! We had Culver's onion rings and lemon smoothies for a picnic lunch after a nice jaunt to the farmers market.
I don’t especially like Mothers Day, but I don’t dislike it as much as Anne Lamott. But the dysfunction in her family was pretty off the wall, so they can understand why anything sentimental about her parents would grate. Her family life growing up makes mine look like Norman Rockwell. I’m with her though on the candy, flowers, herding your mother in law and your kids to a restaurant kind of thing. I always hated that. My mother in law expected it though, so we did it. Now I try to honor in a low key way the women who are the mothers of our 7 grandchildren - all three are wonderful. As I honor my sons, also wonderful dads and husbands ( so far anyway) it makes me feel that maybe I did something right. I mostly think about all the things I did wrong as a mother, so it’s a consolation. I told my family decades ago that I didn’t want gifts for Mother’s Day, my birthday or Christmas. Exception made for chocolate or wine. :)
DeleteI also will try to honor in a low key way the mother of my three grandchildren. And try to figure out a delicate way to affirm my DIL who has no children. As far as I know that isn't a problem for her; she and my older son married rather late in the day to have kids. But one never knows. One of those don't ask, don't tell, kind of things. They seem quite happy, and that's what counts.
DeleteThe mini pie maker sounds interesting. Had to look one up on Amazon to see what they. look like
Not knowing if your second d-I-l wishes they did have children makes it sticky to navigate. Tough situation to know how to handle. Anyway, in spite of its flaws, happy Mother’s Day to you, and Jean, Betty, and Theresa and any unknown moms who might read this, or not read it. Including Anne Lamott.
DeleteHa, my mil used to bug us mercilessly about producing a grandchild. I asked Raber to tell her to back off, but they were all afraid of her. When it finally looked like I would carry The Boy to term, she was sure he would have Down Syndrome because I was so old (42). She was one of those people with no filter. I miss her quite a lot.
DeleteHappy Mother's Day to all the women here. It's a responsibility and y'all did it well.
DeleteThanks, Stanley. Hope you are carrying good memories of your mom today. Would you like a mini pie maker? :-)
DeleteYes,Jean, I do carry good memories. Haha. Love those mini pies. One gulp and they're gone.
DeleteAnne, thanks for that post. Jean, that might be the best way to celebrate Mother's Day I have seen. Katherine, my mother claims to feel about Mothers Day as you do. But I took her and my dad to dinner last night, and managed to corral a couple of my kids to come along, and she was very pleased. So maybe, even though a gesture like that isn't necessary, it can still be appreciated.
DeleteWhen our kids were little and living at home, I always organized Mother's Day on their behalf. My wife is not a holiday minimalist; she believes there is a proper way to celebrate birthdays, Mother's Day, et al, and is not inclined to let shirkers off the hook. Now my kids are in their 20s, and I let it be known this year that any/all Mothers Day festivities are up to them. They were a little uneven about rising to the occasion; a couple of them are more family-committed than others, and the others apparently are quite content to let those two exert all the effort. Ah well. Next year they can try again.
I am a Father's Day minimalist. I don't demand/expect anything. For me these days are more about giving than getting.
DeleteMaybe there are some cultural dysfunctions. But the day has a long way to go to catch up to Christmas.
Fathers Day is more fun. Not sure how this tradition got started, but every year, I would take The Boy to the used clothing store to buy a Hawaiian shirt. Raber still has them all and wears them.
DeleteThe experience of motherhood in my family indicates that mothers should be honored. My own mother and both my grandmothers played strong roles in my life and in the lives of our families.
ReplyDeleteIn the case of my paternal grandmother that role was despite physical abuse by my grandfather. In the case of my maternal grandmother, it was despite that grandfather’s life of cheating upon the many women in his life. As a Catholic she would not give him a divorce, but they did separate.
I never got to know either grandfather sufficiently to understand their poor ability to relate both to their spouses and their children. Both were very hard workers but left any positive role toward children to the mothers. My paternal grandfather needed the children’s work on the farm. They fled him directly or indirectly. My father went to work in the mines at the end of eighth grade.
My father did not have any real models for being a husband or father. My mother decided to become my dad’s best friend, thereby reinventing marriage. When a doctor advised dad to take up fishing, she became his fishing buddy. It took her about a decade to overcome her distaste of putting worms on a hock. Ultimately, she became a better fisher than my dad. Toward the end of her life when she was in her seventies, she remarked to me that she thought dad had lost his interest in fishing. He never suggested going fishing anymore, only responded to her suggestions. She was right; he gave up fishing after her death.
Mom did a lot of things that women did not do in her day. She painted the house, helped my dad move the garage, and built the cabin with him.
Mom’s decision to become dad’s best friend ultimately meant that we all became each other’s best friends. That was the best gift. So, in celebrating mom’s day, I would be celebrating a mom who was very different from most mothers that I know. Mom never carried much about Mother’s Day. I think she knew she was different.
Both of my parents were very much against spoiling children. They did not appreciate being in family gatherings at which children were the focus of attention. They always made it clear to me that I was welcome to be present at and be a part of adult conversations but not the center of attention.
Both had become adults when they entered their teens, as I did myself. I am grateful for not having been over parented. One of my college classmates remarked that I was the only student who talked a lot about his parents. Perhaps they were all victims of over parenting.