Wednesday, August 26, 2020

Trump smiles while Kenosha burns

Below is David Leonhardt's morning note (8/26/20)  that come to NYT subscribers. Definitely worth a read. 

If you’re an intense reader of the news, you may already know the story of David Shor’s firing. Shor is a progressive data analyst who has spent his career trying “to help elect Democrats while moving the party leftward,” as Jonathan Chait of New York magazine put it. In May, Shor tweeted a summary of a new academic paper about the 1968 election by Omar Wasow of Princeton. The paper found that nonviolent protests tended to increase the Democratic vote share in surrounding areas that year, while riots tended to decrease it.
Some other progressives accused Shor of insensitively focusing on the wrong problem: the political reaction to riots, rather than the underlying racism and socioeconomic problems that helped cause those riots. His employer — Civis Analytics, a liberal research firm — quickly fired him. (For a longer summary, see The Times’s Michelle Goldberg or Vox’s Matthew Yglesias.)
The episode was essentially a struggle over whether progressives should worry about political strategy or almost always side with the victims of injustice, regardless of tactics. Shor’s detractors thought he was blaming the victims — and “concern trolling,” by undermining the more important debate, as the podcast host Benjamin Dixon wrote. Shor’s defenders thought his detractors cared more about looking virtuous than defeating racism.
It is a debate with obvious relevance to the 2020 campaign.
No one can know for sure, but there is evidence suggesting that violent protests — like the ones this week in Kenosha, Wis., in response to the police shooting of a Black man in the back — help the politician whom many protesters most despise: President Trump.
Trump himself clearly believes this, having organized much of his campaign around highlighting (and sometimes lying about) riots. Polling has shown that most voters support nonviolent protest while most oppose violent protest.
Criticizing any protest of police misconduct is fraught for progressives today. That’s especially true when the conduct is as brutal as it appears to have been in Kenosha.

But the reality is that nights like the last two — when an American city has been on fire — seem to be precisely what Trump wants to campaign on. And there is another option available to people outraged by what happened in Kenosha. After all, nonviolent protest — as the overwhelming majority of recent protests have been — has a long record of political effectiveness.
In other Kenosha developments:
  • Jacob Blake — the man shot by police — is partially paralyzed from a bullet that severed his spinal cord, his family said Tuesday. His mother, Julia Jackson, said she opposed the destruction of the recent protests: “It doesn’t reflect my son or my family.”
  • Protesters threw water bottles, rocks and fireworks at the police last night, and the police responded with tear gas and rubber bullets. In a confrontation near a gas station — the details of which are not yet clear — three people were shot, two of them fatally, police said.
  • Kenosha is the fourth-largest city in the state that may be the single most likely to determine the election. Both Joe Biden and Trump will struggle to win the Electoral College without Wisconsin.

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  1. I also believe that urban mayhem and violence plays to Trump's political advantage. Many conservatives believe - and perhaps rightly - that the news media is underreporting the disorder in order to minimize the political advantage accruing to Trump; for example, there is very little footage on network newscasts of the nightly battles between police and leftists in Portland.

    Re: the importance of Wisconsin: as I mentioned in a comment last night in another thread, the Republicans had at least two speakers from Wisconsin in last night's line-up.

    One more comment: Leonhardt's attempt to position Shor's firing as a this-vs-that debate doesn't ring true to me. The simpler and, I suspect, truer explanation is that Shor was canceled for speaking inconvenient truths. That's troubling as hell.

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    1. In 1968 the Democrats were in office when urban riots worked against them. This time the Republicans are in office. And we are hearing the incredible warning from the head of Crime Family Trump that if we elect Biden, we will get Portland, Detroit and Chicago (and now, presumably, Kenosha). But we elected Trump, and we have them already.

      Incidentally, Jim, if you party can find 100 committed Marxists in the United States, I will eat a MAGA hat.

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  2. Kenosha used to be heavily labor. American Motors (remember the Gremlin?) had a big plant there. Manufacturing, which Trump promised to bring back (more in the next graf) has shrunk. Trump beat Clinton by 0.2% in Kenosha County.

    Hope for ex-Gov. Walker, ex-Speaker Paul Ryan, still-Pres. Donald Trump and southeastern Wisconsin is a $10 billion TV screen plant built by Foxconn, a Taiwanese company, that would employ 13,000 workers. Gov. Walker mortgaged the whole state to provide up to $4.5 billion in subsidies, and he waived every environmental law known to man for the company. The then newly elected head of Crime Family Trump attended the ground-breaking.

    The plant is scheduled to open at the end of this year. Construction has not yet begun.

    Foxconn has rented office space in the area, but it is empty. And, oh, by the way, the company now says no one wants TV screens so it will take subsidies for something else, and, um, maybe need only 1,500 employees.

    I haven't been able to determine Steve Bannon's connection.

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    1. Two were shot and one wounded during last night's violence. The article I read didn't have a lot of details but the implication was that there was a standoff between armed business owners and protesters, some of whom have been causing a lot of damage the last couple of nights. I fear that one or more of the business owners fired at protesters. That's a failure on multiple levels. The Kenosha police are out in force and the National Guard has been deployed. How did they manage to miss that?!

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    2. Just saw an updated article which suggested the shooter is a vigilante, not identified as a business owner. Seems these armed vigilantes and gone to the local county sheriff and asked to be deputized, and were vehemently turned down. So they have taken it upon themselves to patrol. If Second Amendment jurisprudence permits this, then - it's out of whack.

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    3. There has been an arrest in Kenosha. A 17-year old from Antioch, Ill. He has been charged with murder. The young man (too young to vote) had to drive 30 miles with his gun to get into trouble. He'd be clean in Florida for standing his ground. I don't think Wisconsin has gotten there yet.

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  3. Symbolic speech is always very ambiguous. It can help your opponents as much as the people whom you support. I learned this back as an undergraduate at Saint John’s Collegeville, Minn. during the ramp up to the Vietnam protests.

    The non-violent teach-ins began in Minneapolis; some of our students against the war went there. The campus Republicans decided to go over the top in protesting the teach-ins before they even got to our campus. Some of my liberal friends wanted to respond in kind; I convinced them to hold their fire. Our campus radio call-ins ran very heavily against the Republicans for suppressing free speech.

    Later there was a letter in the campus newspaper from a graduate of the ROTC program who was now in Vietnam. It had been written to his mother and supported the war. A few months later the officer came to campus. Again my liberal friends were ready to go over the top. I counseled them to remain calm and go listen to him with me.

    In his uniform he told the students what you write home to your mother is not the whole truth. He felt that he needed to speak the whole truth because the ROTC guys on campus were headed to the same place. Then he very carefully covered all the basic facts, about how much support or not we had from the local population, how well equipped we were or not. Every time there was a question about his personal support for the war, he answered the same way “I am an officer. I support the commander in chief and my superiors” even though it was obvious that most non-soldiers might come to another conclusion.

    It was an outstanding lesson in the role of the military. His support of ultimately civilian decision making while keeping his eyes wild open, and his military expertise ready to think critically about the prosecution of the war. What the students learned, both ROTC and the rest of us, was that there were real problems in the prosecution of this war. What the campus liberals and I learned is that it is wise to respect others who may differ with your views and your experience, and to wait until your understand that before you respond.

    Ever since that time I have been wary of engaging in symbolic speech.

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  4. I think it is true that the majority of people support the right to peacefully protest. The trouble is, it only takes one or two hot-heads for things to go south. Or a group of individuals, cynically motivated, who feel that violence benefits their own cause, either in a direct way, or in turning public opinion against the cause of the protesters. When a crowd turns into a mob, it's like spilling gasoline. Something's going to throw a spark. Maybe demonstrations are effective. If they stay peaceful. If they don't it's a bully tactic, usually impacting the wrong people. I think the people who want to make a difference would be better of to go home and do the heavy lifting of campaigning, voting, and advocating.
    And no, I wasn't a protester back in my college days.

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    1. I was a college student during the first half of the 1980s. Our campus was a snoozefest when it came to protesting.

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    2. Jim, I was a freshman at a Catholic women's college (which had recently turned co-ed) when the Kent State shootings happened. Holy Cow, the place went nuts. People were spray painting graffiti on the inside of the administration building. Marching with signs. Demanding that the college president (who was an elderly nun) close classes for the rest of the semester. She didn't, and I never did understand what that was supposed to accomplish. My grandmother wrote me, that "...if you don't feel safe dear, I will come and get you." I was almost tempted to take her up on it, but I really didn't feel unsafe. Just really, really out of place. I transferred to a state college closer to home the next year.

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    3. GenXers about Jim's age were entering college about the time I started teaching in 1983. They were about the most politically ignorant and disengaged young people I ever met. People pleasers and rule followers. They were obsessed with making money and status-y material comforts.

      I had to bully them into learning AP style by telling them that they wouldn't even qualify for a $20K per year job as a lowly copy editor if they couldn't pass my AP tests. This appeal to their desire for material dominance worked pretty well.

      GenXers wanted to be spoonfed information and would never argue about ideas, just theri grades. Education was transactional for them. They paid for the course, so why shouldn't they get at least a B?

      I liked many of these students (later colleagues) once I got to understand them. They liked me once they realized that I was not going to bore them with stories about my college days and could help them get the all important "job $kill$."

      I presume they're all Republicans now.

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    4. If I had thought a little more about how I was going to make some money during my first shot at college, and a little less about "following my dream" (if I ever figured out what that was), it might have made things a little easier for us financially in our early years.

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    5. Katherine - I never had a career aspiration. I majored in Econ because I took a course and liked it. It never led to employment for me, though.

      I've sort of grown in passionate intensity for my work as I've matured and have found things to do for a living which suited me and which I enjoyed. But I'm considerably more passionate about being a deacon than I am about my career.

      Jean - I guess I haven't noted that one generation is more idealistic than another. I think there are idealists in every generation. And every generation poses its own things to be idealistic about. There was no Vietnam War in my day nor in my kids' day (so far - knock on wood). My kids have the environment. We never had a unifying issue. The biggest thing for popular activism in my younger days was pro-life stuff, which really isn't even a liberal cause.

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    6. Am I talking about idealism? Hmm, I guess motivation more than anything idealism.

      GenXers were motivated by money and image. Millennials have been motivated by (seduced by?) technology and social media presence.

      I'd argue that Afghanistan is the new Vietnam, but no draft. Collusion in that mess is completely voluntary, so no one cares what we're doing there.

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  5. Peaceful demonstrations during daylight hours are probably led by people still engaged in the system. I participated in many. I think they help galvanize attendees like a revival meeting. They may do some good if the cops mishandle things and demonstrators are perceived as victims.

    Those who are looting, shooting, actively baiting cops, and setting fires, usually under cover of darkness, have generally given up on the system and don't see where a change in administrations will make any difference.

    The presence of vigilantes with guns--it is believed that a counter protester with a long gun was responsible for two shootings last night in Kenosha--may have ramped up frustrations and violence.

    I think the effect of the "unrest" in all forms is interpreted depending on which side you are on.

    I see people sick and tired of police tactics, gun violence, and a president who has fanned the flames with an incessant stream of divisive language and insensitivity to civil frustrations.

    I'm pretty sure that all conservatives see are criminals and leftist snowflakes who are overreacting to a few mean tweets, and who want to take away their police protection. Breitbart was quick to lead with "Joe Biden fails to condemn Kenosha riots."

    I have a feeling that protests and riots will have a neutral effect on the election outcome.

    Although John Antaramian, mayor of Kenosha, has condemned both the Blake shooting and civil violence, he's a Democrat, and I await Trump's tweet about violence in "Democrat-run cities" and for the black ops vans to roll in.

    Some citizens have demanded that the Kenosha cops deputize them to respond to the violence. This was rejected quickly and forcefully.

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    1. I wonder what would happen if Joe showed up to talk to protesters in Kenosha. It would be political hwater, of course, but perhaps demonstrate a different kind of leadership than the boot and the baton.

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    2. RFK in Indianapolis on the night MLK was killed is the stuff of legend. But has Biden even bothered to charter a campaign plane to get him to Kenosha this year?

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    3. I don't think Uncle Joe has to go RFK on the back of a truck, but I am a bit surprised that, between him and Harris, they can't think of some way to give the appearance of "doing something."

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  6. The person who shot and killed two protesters has been arrested in Illinois. A white 17 year old who lives in Illinois not far from Kenosha. Early reports are that he’s a white supremacist, but will wait for more information.

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    1. Yes, that's what I have heard, too. Earlier reports identified him as a counter-protester who was confronting protesters.

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    2. The report in our local suburban newspaper said that his Facebook page promoted "Back the Blue". He seems to be an intense supporter of police. I'm not entirely sure how that aligns with white supremacy.

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    3. I'm wrong about the org he supports - it is Blue Lives Matter.

      A number of NY Times reporters, in their recap of last night's RNC convention, identified him as a Trump supporter, although I haven't seen that reported in the news stories I've seen.

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  7. So now the violent-protesters story has become a possible white-supremacist-shooting story. I don't think that works in Trump's favor. I'll be watching tonight to see what if any spin the GOP convention puts on it.

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    1. Seems the victims, at least the ones who were killed, are white. So that complicates the white-supremacist story line. Let's wait for more details to emerge. Whatever the racial angle, a kid armed with a deadly weapon apparently got in way over his head and reacted by firing indiscriminately - an appallingly irresponsible act.

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  8. New reports (more reliable than the early reports) say that he did have an obsession with the police, but that the hate-group watchdogs have so far not found evidence of his involvement with white supremacist groups on social media.

    Why do 17 year old kids have access to assault rifles? Apparently it is legal in Wisconsin?

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    1. Presumably he bought it in Illinois, so bug Jim about that. I imagine 17 year-olds in Wisconsin can get rifles because deer hunting is a huge part of autumn for many Wisconsin families, even the urban ones. My mother-in-law was super with venison.

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    2. Yes, yes, by all means, place the burden of Illinois firearm laws on me :-). In point of fact, I think the gun laws are a good deal more permissive in Wisconsin. But the details of how he came upon a rifle and why he was carrying it in the Kenosha streets during violent protests, have yet to come to light.

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  9. Do people use assault rifles for deer hunting?

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    1. Well if they do it doesn't say much about their marksmanship. Some people claim they need them to shoot feral hogs. "Thirty to fifty feral hogs" was a running internet joke for awhile.

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    2. The gun was referred to as a long rifle. Rifles are long. So not clear that this was just a plain, old rifle--lethal enough, or something else. I did not see the phrase "assault rifle" in the news stories. Still two people dead! Incredible--and sad.

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    3. I read at least two reports that said it was an assault rifle. I suppose the details will come out at some point. This is one story

      https://www.forbes.com/sites/rachelsandler/2020/08/26/what-we-know-about-kyle-rittenhouse-the-17-year-old-charged-in-the-kenosha-shootings/#42f531b84ce2

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    4. I consulted my friend. He said it was either a modified M4 carbine with extended barrel or some kind of modified M-16. It is definitely a semi-automatic. One finger pull, one bullet fired. The sight on the top is a close combat optic (CCO) or some version of it. There is no magnification. You sight by looking through it and put the luminous red dot on the target. Without magnification, not the best at identifying friend or foe, but I was once able to put ten shots in a four inch diameter circle at 100 yards. Call it what you want, it is a killing machine.

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  11. I deleted the previous comment because I had reported the wrong name of the organization which was prominent on the Facebook page of the teen charged with the Kenosha shootings. The organization in question is Blue Lives Matter.

    The shooter is 17 years old. He's being charged as an adult, a practice which, in general, I don't approve of. Not many details of his life have been reported so far, at least that I've been able to find. He attended a Chicago-area high school for one semester as a freshman; whether he transferred to another school, dropped out or had some other life circumstance isn't yet reported. Another exurban Chicago community has been notified that the teen may have been a member of the community's Police Cadet youth program at one time; and his Facebook page is said to have photos of him wearing a law enforcement-style uniform. He sounds like a teen who was interested in becoming a cop some day.

    It's not a long leap for the imagination to conclude that a teenage cop-wannabe grabbed a firearm and got in over his head on the streets of Kenosha, with tragic results for three people (and him). But undoubtedly more will be reported in coming days to fill in the picture.

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  12. This NY Times article, bylined by eight(!) reporters who analyzed social media videos of what was happening during the demonstrations in Kenosha throughout the evening, pieces together what the teen, Kyle Rittenhouse, was up to for the couple of hours leading up to the shooting and then the shooting itself. Several video clips included in the article. Troubling from several points of view.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/27/us/kyle-rittenhouse-kenosha-shooting-video.html

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