Friday, November 29, 2019

Two Popes: Francis and John Paul II

Popes Francis and Benedict have often been compared and sometimes contrasted, especially in regard to Catholicism's internal government.  However last week we had two articles that compared Francis with John Paul II on the world stage of international affairs.

Pope Francis, globe trotting pope

The most impressive part of the article is the graphic comparing the trips of the Popes by areas of the world. While JP2 traveled widely, he slacked off during the last decade of his pontificate more and more concentrating on Europe.  Benedict traveled mostly inside Europe.  In other words for over two decades Popes have not been globe trotters. Francis has resumed a pace and a scope more comparable to the early JP2, and he has largely ignored Europe. 

The WAPO article cannot resist characterizing his journeys as looking to change the church, however Francis like JP2 is interested in Evangelization, the Gospel having an effect upon the world.

In the blast zone, NO to Nukes


"Over Francis' nearly eight years on Peter's Chair, a critical emphasis of his pontificate on the wider scale has been a concerted effort to burnish the Holy See's "soft power" ........what the marked increase in papal advocacy has wrought is that, to a degree last seen at the zenith of John Paul II after the fall of Communism, when The Man in White speaks, the world's leaders pay attention."

Rocco then pivots to a not unrelated theme, the inculturation of the Gospel. John Paul II may have brought Catholicism together as a world wide organization. What Francis is attempting to do is make the Gospel relevant to each country through inculturation and emphasizing the importance of Bishops Conferences and synodal government at all levels. 

My comments:

1. The media is mistaken at treating Francis only as a personality, failing to take into account the larger sociological forces that are at work.

2.  One of the those larger sociological forces is Latin American Catholicism. Through the Latin American Bishops Conference, Francis became very experienced in dealing with bishops beyond his own country; he brought them together in their most recent mission statement. Francis was in effect a leader of the largest and one of the most vibrant areas of Catholicism. 

3. Catholicism is definitely on its way to becoming a religion of the South rather than the North, and of third world rather than first world countries. Francis is governing from that perspective rather than a European-North American perspective. 

4. Francis as Pope is facing the problems of the World: climate change, migration, income inequality not just the internal problems of the Church. Unlike the case of the Holocaust, future historians will not be wondering if the Pope could not have done more. 

5. John Paul II greatness did not consist of his internal governance of the church, rather it consisted of his impact upon World politics. 

13 comments:

  1. Very interesting, Jack. Especially this comment, "Francis as Pope is facing the problems of the World: climate change, migration, income inequality not just the internal problems of the Church. Unlike the case of the Holocaust, future historians will not be wondering if the Pope could not have done more."
    I was not able to get past the paywall to see the graphic comparing the travels of the pope. But here is a list of Pope Francis' pastoral visits since he became pope. I counted 51 countries.

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    1. It's a nice graphic since it uses different colors for each continent. Try the paywall again on December 1st.

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  2. The drop-off in JP's travels is easily explained by his health. There are some music videos featuring him (mostly from Denver) that I am subjected to on many Fridays, and in them the man can barely see or move. You have to admire his guts, but it was awfully bull-headed of him not to make the move Benedict did, imho.

    Francis is taking on a smorgasbord of problems that were left untouched during the 20 years before his reign began. He pretty clearly doesn't believe the sun rises west of the Urals and sets in the Irish Sea, as most of his predecessors did, and he seems bent on leaving a world Church, which the Church pretty much stopped being when the rest of the world found something west of the Irish Sea. A whole lotta catching up to do there.

    At the very least his sainted predecessor might have gotten a grip on the worldwide sex abuse scandal. Francis thinks he has bigger fish to fry, but even he doesn't seem to know what to do about his wayward clergy, who have always existed but are no longer tolerable.

    It would be really nice, as well, if some more of the big wheels in the pope's flock were to show signs of being interested in some of the other things Francis is. You get the impression that most of the ones who are not straitjacket-ready because of Francis, are waiting to see who the next one will be before they jump. Not a bunch of profiles.

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    1. I have read that JII would not consider stepping down because "Christ didn't get down off the cross." The one whose guts I really have to admire is Benedict , for deciding that he wasn't up to the job any more and putting in his three weeks notice. The only one who had previously retired from the papacy was a guy back in the 13th century. And Dante put him in one of the circles of hell. So I am grateful to Benedict for proving that retirement isn't a mortal sin. I don't buy into the conspiracy theories, I don't think he was really eager to take up the papacy in the first place.

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    2. Francis is really a home body who does not like to travel, not even for vacations. He is not really enamored of the papacy with the central control that it brings. But he does like the peripheries. I think he is taking his good health as an opportunity to highlight as many of them as he can; he is also making as many cardinals as he can from the peripheries. All of that is a balance against papal centrism. Lastly I think he likes to get away from the curia.

      We should not expect him to retire if he no longer can keep up the travel. I think he will continue to work as long as he is able in Rome. Benedict seems to have kept his mind, he just could not do the long distance traveling. He thought travel was necessary; Francis may not agree. If he gets synods to working, he just may have a lot of them come to Rome.

      I suspect he will try to wait out Benedict before retiring. The longer he stays in office the more Cardinals and Bishops he gets to appoint. Of course that strategy almost did not work for JP2. He was almost replaced by Bergolio rather than Ratzinger.


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    3. Great Caesar's ghost! I hadn't thought about what the next pope would do with two emeritus popes (emeriti?) sitting around. And disagreeing with each other.

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    4. Francis will likely return to Argentina. Probably not wear a white cassock and simply be called Padre Gorge as he was when he was a cardinal. I suspect that he may not return to Argentina until after he resigns so that he can more easily slip back into his old self.

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    5. Would having a former pope return to his home diocese be a security issue? I know former presidents continue to have Secret Service protection.

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  3. I really admire Francis' witness against nuclear destruction on his trip to Japan. I think his expressions of solidarity at Hiroshima meant a lot to the Japanese.

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    2. Francis probably was much influenced by Pedro Arrupe, S.J., the superior general a few years back. Arrupe was at Hiroshima and treated the victims of the first A-bomb attack. The experience deeply influenced the rest of his life, and it would have translated itself to other Jesuits who knew him. St. JPII hardly covered himself with glory by the way he treated Arrupe, surely another saint, in the Jesuit's last years, btw.

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    3. Yeah, what was the deal with JPII and Arrupe? Seemed like the Jesuits were getting disrespected similar to the women religious a few years back.

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