Friday, June 22, 2018

Can't we play nice?


  Sunday night at the Tony Awards, Robert De Niro dropped an F-bomb on Donald John Trump. This produced a few mild cases of the vapours in the usual quarters, including The New York Times. The reaction was nothing like what, for example, George McGovern produced by calling a lady a “horse’s ass” on an airplane when she acted like one. We've come down in the world.

 De Niro provoked the Times to write a story about the coarsening of American politics, a process that has been going on forever but took a giant leap when the Republican candidate for president made vulgarity as legitimate a political tool as dirty money and gerrymandering.

 The Times thought we would heal better as a nation if we’d be nicer to each other. That reminded Charles P. Pierce of Esquire of why he disagrees.

 
 Pierce, who belongs to the same alumni association I do, is invariably entertaining, although recently he has been lazily violating the Second Commandment  in reaction to an administration that makes a point of violating all Ten. I wish they would stop. Nevertheless, he makes a point worth considering here.

 Pierce has a list of times when “healing” became an excuse not to call a spade a dirty shovel. One of them is the 2000 election in Florida, which the Supreme Court decided George W. Bush won. A consortium of media went back afterwards, looked at all the votes and assured us that if the under-votes were counted, as Al Gore wished, Bush won. Happy ending! In the fourth or fifth paragraph, the consortium noted that if the over-votes had also been counted properly—as the Florida constitution required -- Gore won.  As the story was written, Gore’s way was the best way because that was the happy ending the Supreme Court had already chosen. Let the healing begin!

 You may consider Pierce’s other examples for yourself. That one particularly galls me.

 Concluding his list, Pierce goes on:

All of these were undertaken on the theory, I believe, that The American People are made of fragile glass, and that they must not be encouraged to anger over the misuse of their right to self-government, lest it upset the salons of D.C. or the quiet anesthesia of our finer think-tanks. It must not frighten the horses, or David Brooks, who is only half of one.
Can anybody truly say that these exercises in civility and healing made our politics better? Is America a better place because we let the torturers go unpunished? Can’t it be argued that torture coarsened American culture worse than Robert DeNiro’s bad words at the damn Tony Awards? Is it that hard to trace a cultural line from the cells of Abu Ghraib to the cages of Brownsville, and to conclude that the implicit absolution of the former led to support of the latter?
 If you think about it, we have piled up a lot of conspiracy theories and a lot of resentment -- some of which erupted to decide the last presidential election -- through our nannyish urge to pretend "the system worked," slide the dirty linen under the bed, replace the doilies on the arms of the couches and go on as if nothing happened.

 I feel strongly in favor of Pierce's argument, especially after a week of ly... ah, misstating by the White House. Unfortunately, it has also been a week when St. Matthew's account of the Sermon on the Mount dominates the daily liturgy, so I have been treated to days of forgiving trespasses and overlooking faults. What seems best on a personal level seems downright dangerous in politics. In fact, we have brought a lot of misery upon ourselves by believing in Lincoln's "angels of our better nature." I don't know how to apply those angels to our festering resentments without being either a) a sucker or b) indelicate. Any ideas?

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  1. As I said to my debating partner only yesterday re: De Niro and General Hayden (under covered story comparing separating children at the border with separating children at Nazi camps) and the late Rex Tillerson's "he's a moron," those who pass for adults in our country are trying to tell us something.

    They are losing patience and their confidence that all will be well--in the end. Since Hayden seems such a pussy cat on TV, I was taken with his metaphor (declared unseemly by Wolf Blitzer). What does he know that we don't? Where does he see this going off the rails.

    Do we have to wait until Secretary Mattis and General Kelly issue a joint statement announcing their departure for Canada?

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  2. Tom: Looks like Joe is edging toward you and Chuck:

    "Biden, seen as a potential Democratic party candidate against Donald Trump in 2020, did not mention the US president by name but linked his anti-immigrant drive and that of European populists and the far right to pre-war fascists who were willing to create scapegoats to retain their grip on power."

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/jun/22/joe-biden-demagogues-charlatans-are-stoking-fear

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  3. Is it time to channel Howard Beale in Network, when he said, "I'm mad as hell and not gonna take it anymore!" ?

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  4. Play any way you want, just be sure to vote early and often. That assumes, of course, that the Democrats can actually field an agenda that appeals to the undecideds, independents and Republicans with a conscience and the candidates to speak to that agenda. I am not holding my breath.

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    1. Not Trump, and not anybody who was part of his administration seems like a pretty good agenda to me. And the Dems need to spread the word about absentee voting by mail where it is available. Because there will be attempted dirty tricks with polling hours and bottleneck lines in many locations.

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  5. Pierce buttresses his call for incivility with this quote from William Lloyd Garrison:

    "I am aware that many object to the severity of my language; but is there not cause for severity? I will be as harsh as truth, and as uncompromising as justice. On this subject, I do not wish to think, or to speak, or write, with moderation. No! no! Tell a man whose house is on fire to give a moderate alarm; tell him to moderately rescue his wife from the hands of the ravisher; tell the mother to gradually extricate her babe from the fire into which it has fallen; — but urge me not to use moderation in a cause like the present. I am in earnest — I will not equivocate — I will not excuse — I will not retreat a single inch — AND I WILL BE HEARD."

    In short, I guess he believed in his cause and didn't care who he offended by writing and speaking the unvarnished truth, clearly and compellingly. But there is no coarseness or vulgarity there. Maybe that quote was not representative of his public speaking; if it offends, it's not from a profusion of four-letter words.

    Jerry Springer announced this week that he's not making his show anymore. He coarsened our public discourse. We're worse off for his show having been on the air for so long. I think it's a bad thing. He did his part to lay the groundwork for vulgarity in our public life. It's possible to oppose torture, or the separation of immigrant children from their parents, without uttering F bombs. In fact I think rhetoric is often more effective without them.

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    1. I think the rhetoric is always more effective without them. It would be interesting to go back through the years and try to measure public reaction to the reported vulgarities of leaders. Going back about as far as I can remember, there was some tsouris over reports of what Gen. Anthony McAuliffe said to the Germans who demanded his surrender during the Battle of the Bulge. "Nuts," was his original reply. When the intermediary asked how that would translate into German, McAuliffe said, "Go to Hell." We Americans were proud of him, but any number of adults were embarrassed that "that kind of language" got out. They had barely gotten over Clark Gable's "Frankly, Ma'am..." There was a Truman "S.O.B." that "demeaned the presidency." And now look at what we have.

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  6. I see this one differently.

    Tom cites a NYTimes piece -- on the DeNiro flap, etc. -- about "the coarsening of American politics" and how we could "heal better as a nation."

    He also cites Charles Pierce, who says that those calling DeNiro (and others) to restraint in word and deed, seem to think that "The American People are made of fragile glass, and that they must not be encouraged to anger."

    Frank Bruni calls for restraint, too, but for none of those reasons. In his NYTimes column about the DeNiro incident, Bruni is concerned with only one thing: winning in 2018 and 2020. He thinks outbursts like DeNiro's make that less likely to happen. Here is part of his column, which he addresses to "Robert De Niro, . . . and other Trump haters:"

    "I get that you’re angry. I’m angry, too. But anger isn’t a strategy. Sometimes it’s a trap. When you find yourself spewing four-letter words, you’ve fallen into it. You’ve chosen cheap theatrics over the long game, catharsis over cunning. You think you’re raising your fist when you’re really raising a white flag.

    "You’re right that . . . restraining and containing [Trump] are urgent business. You’re wrong about how to go about doing that . . .

    "When you answer name-calling with name-calling and tantrums with tantrums, you’re not resisting him. You’re mirroring him. . . . Many voters don’t hear your arguments or the facts, which are on your side. They just wince at the din.

    "You permit them to see you as you see Trump: deranged. Why would they choose a different path if it goes to another ugly destination?

    "Of course this is broader than De Niro . . . and about more than profanity. It’s about maturity, pragmatism and plain old smarts — and the necessity of all three when the stakes are this high. . .

    ". . . [M]ost American voters . . . already know how they feel about [Trump. What they’re less certain about are their alternatives. If you want to make sure that at least one chamber of Congress is a check on Trump, talk to them about that.

    And do so in a vocabulary that’s measured, not hysterical. . . . Enough with Hitler . . . . Has Trump shown fascistic tendencies? Yes. Is he the second coming of the Third Reich? No. . .

    "I’m not urging complacency. But when you invoke the darkest historical analogies, you lose many of the very Americans you’re trying to win over. What you’re saying isn’t what they’re seeing. It’s overreach in their eyes. . .

    ". . .[The audience] in the Manhattan theater . . . answered De Niro’s expletives with a standing ovation. . . Never mind that he wrested the spotlight from the Parkland, Fla., teenagers, so that his negative message, not their positive one, was the big story.

    Never mind that he squandered a chance to model a bearing more dignified than Trump’s.

    "He made the blue wave look iffier and Trump 2020 stronger. Did you mean to be clapping for that?"

    What do you all think of Bruni's approach? It makes sense to me. As for the other issues alluded to in the first paragraphs above -- "coarsening," "healing," "fragile voters," etc. -- all I can say is, "Who knows?" I certainly don't. But I do know this: I'd like to see the Democrats take the House or Senate in November, and I'd like to see someone other than Trump win in 2020; and I think that's more likely to happen if we follow Bruni's advice.

    (To be continued in the following comment)

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  7. Part of me worries that the DeNiro approach is self-indulgent: "Boy, I feel great! I really stuck it to the bad guy." But so what? Who cares about that? As they used to say when I lived in New York, "That and a token will get you on the subway." But what if it won't get Trump out of the White House, and what if it makes it more likely that the Republicans will maintain control of both houses?

    Jimmy Mac wrote about the importance of " field[ing] an agenda that appeals to the undecideds, independents and Republicans with a conscience." But it's also important to strike an attitude which appeals to them, too - or, at the least, to avoid an attitude (like DeNiro's) which might so put them off that, no matter how good the agenda is, they'll reject it.

    Tom Blackburn says General McAuliffe's "Go to Hell" caused "any number of adults [to feel] embarrassed that 'that kind of language' got out." For me, it's not about embarrassment; it's about a fear that "that kind (i.e. DeNiro's kind) of language" might cost us an election.

    But I'm willing to stand corrected, if you can show me that I'm mistaken.

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  8. "Enough with Hitler . . . . Has Trump shown fascistic tendencies? Yes. Is he the second coming of the Third Reich? No."

    Agreed, it is too easy to toss off names like Hitler and conditions like racism when they are imprecise. It's beyond discussion now that Trump, with his animals and infestations, is a racist, but all the racists who don't think they are can only be offended when we point it out.

    BUT as to Hitler, I am reading currently "My Battle Against Hitler" by the theologian Dietrich von Hildebrand, which is not really a finished book but his notes toward a memoir of the 1930s, most of which he spent trying to convince Austrians who thought they could that they couldn't do business with Mr. Hitler. At times he gets testy because so many Austrians are telling him, "Enough with the Antichrist... Has Hitler shown anti-human tendencies? Yes. Is he the second coming of Attila the Hun? No." To which the correct answer -- then -- was:

    "Not yet."

    As Pastor Niemoeller might have put it, "When they came for the illegal aliens, I wasn't an alien. So I kept my language polite. When they came for the asylum-seekers' babies, I wasn't a baby, so I didn't utter a nasty word..."

    After the storm we can all be geniuses. When the cloud is bigger than a man's hand and we feel no rain is the time to speak.

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    1. "When you answer name-calling with name-calling and tantrums with tantrums, you’re not resisting him. You’re mirroring him. . . "

      I agree completely. I am prone to letting fly with blue language when I am vexed. However, I have made an effort (not always successful) to discuss my hatred for Trump in terms of logic and specifics in the public arena.

      Raber is in charge of the swearing and cursing whenever Trump is on the TV. Last night's report on Trump's rally for people separated from their children by illegal alien murderers was particularly epithet inducing.

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  9. One Way to look at this: Is Kirstjen Nielsen a proto-fascist?
    She is the Secy of Homeland Security who seems keen to keep her job overseeing ICE seizures, deportations, and separation of parents and children.

    She was "shamed" the other night in a MEXICAN restaurant by a branch of the DSOC [History note: one founder: the sainted Michael Harrington way back in the '60s], she kept her head down and was ultimately led out by the Secret Service into a waiting SUV.

    On Friday: "Ms. Nielsen was forced to walk by protesters shouting “Shame!” when she left her house, according to video posted on social media. One man shouted, “You belong in the Hague!” and, “You’re a modern-day Nazi!” as Ms. Nielsen entered her vehicle and left."

    Will shaming her turn her from the Trump agenda? Will calling here "a modern day Nazi"?

    Don't know. But those who think women officials will give us a kinder, gentler politics should sit down and think about that.
    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/19/us/politics/nielsen-trump-immigration-protector.html

    https://www.newyorker.com/culture/annals-of-gastronomy/the-unsurprising-absurdity-of-kirstjen-nielsen-and-stephen-miller-eating-mexican-food-during-a-border-crisis

    https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/jun/22/protesters-descend-kirstjen-nielsens-home-no-justi/

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    1. Add to that the recent expulsion of Sara Huckabee Sanders and cohort from a Red Hen restaurant by the manager. Reactionary posters here and there, commenting on the gay marriage cake case, asked if a jewish baker should bake a cake for a neonazi party. Well, I guess what happened to Sarah should be ok with them.

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    2. Virginia went blue for the presidential election, but that was due to the cities like Richmond, and the populous counties in the northern Virginia suburbs of DC, which are not the least bit "southern".

      The owner of this Red Hen restaurant will suffer greatly I fear, for having the courage to ask Sanders to leave. She lives in the "south". Alexandria, where Nielsen lives, is a mostly "liberal" community and is not "south" in its culture or mindset.

      Lexington, VA, home of Washington and Lee University, as well as of the Virginia Military Institute, is red, red, red.

      Her father is up in arms about it, complaining about "intolerance", "small minds", and suggesting that the restaurant feature a "hate plate".

      The pot calling the kettle black.

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    3. Nielsen, yes. A diner tipped off protesters, and the restaurant was not denying her service.

      Sanders, no. If you don't get to eat because of your political views, we are in sorry shape.

      Nielson:
      https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/20/us/kirstjen-nielsen-protesters-restaurant.html

      Sanders: https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2018/06/23/trump-spokeswoman-sarah-sanders-virginia-restaurant/727972002/

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    4. The restaurant owner gives a careful and cogent explanation for asking Sanders to leave.

      https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/local/wp/2018/06/23/why-a-small-town-restaurant-owner-asked-sarah-huckabee-sanders-to-leave-and-would-do-it-again/?utm_term=.c2552a133ce9

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    5. Jean, I see your point.

      But, I see it as a very tough call. There are few ways that ordinary people can get the undivided attention of the power people. Protesting at their home is one way.

      But this administration also backed the baker who refused service to someone who was planning a perfectly legal wedding. The baker calls it "religious liberty", but I call it discrimination, just as refusing to serve African Americans would be. The pot that supports discrimination against gays in a public business, citing "religious liberty" or "conscience", is now calling the kettle that is refusing service to someone in a public business also on the grounds of conscience

      Nothing is easy anymore. I might just have to make the trek to Lexington to eat at the Red Hen and let the owner know why! But it's a three hour trip. However, it is near a lovely lake with lovely resorts and inns and such, so maybe a stop on the way to the lake.

      Margaret, I am surprised to learn that Lexington itself was strongly anti-Trump, as a small town in the heart of Trump country. Maybe it's the "liberal" influence of the college, even if it is called Washington and LEE. I haven't heard of any moves to rename the school. If there is one, there will be another huge battle.

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    6. calling the kettle black - not just calling the kettle. But you already knew that.

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    7. Margaret, thanks for posting that, but I don't think you should have to pass a morality test to be served at a restaurant.

      If Sanders and her party had been derisive of gay staff, if they had talked loudly and interpersonal in favor of Trump, or had otherwise disrupted the meal of ithers, yes, she could be 86'd.

      But to refuse service to someone in the basis of political affiliatiin? No.

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    8. Jean...agree...giving loose change to everyone on the street requires no morality test. If they're hungry give them to eat.

      But down there in the weeds: the restaurant owner and Sarah Sanders did not shout or accuse. It was, on this account, a respectful push out the door, respectfully received. Nice. But not, I notice, about separating children and parents at the border, but on the owner's testimony over Trump's effort to get Def. Sec. Mattis to rescind the transgendered order. With that, I fall silent.

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    9. Anne: The baker calls it "religious liberty", but I call it discrimination, just as refusing to serve African Americans would be. The pot that supports discrimination against gays in a public business, citing "religious liberty" or "conscience", is now calling the kettle that is refusing service to someone in a public business also on the grounds of conscience.

      Jean: Is it then "political liberty" to refuse to serve people who disagree with you? Believe me, I understand the urge to evict Trump and all Trumpists. But I see no legal grounds on which they can be declined service. Asking them to leave plays into the whole liberal snowflake myth. It gives them ammo.

      Something could have been said after the meal: "I hope you enjoyed your dinner. In protest over President Trump's anti-gay policies, the staff has asked me to comp your meal and to return your tip. They prefer not to take what they consider to be dirty money. I am sorry if this offends you, but my employees are more valuable to me than your business."

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    10. Jean, you are probably right. But I also empathize with the Red Hen owner snd staff.

      This is about much more than people having different opinions on policy. It's one thing to disagree about tax policy, or tariffs, or the rollback of consumer and environmental protection regulations. Even to disagree on rolling back programs for the poor.

      The issues with the Trump administration involve issues of fundamental morality, fundamental decency, deliberate cruelty. I fear for our country on an existential level - what is America? What is it becoming? I guess we will find out in November. I am more or less estranged from some of my family over Trump. They ardently support him (while calling themselves "good" Catholics and christians). I communicate with them only by email. I simply cannot converse with them, on the phone (for the western relatives) or in person, the DC area relatives. I may be wrong about the way I feel, but it is the way I feel. They are entitled to their opinions, but I am entitled to my feelings about them and their opinions too. So, it's best if we do not dine together, or even see one another.

      People who work for Trump, defending his policies day after day, need to know that they are not seen as just ordinary people with whom some disagree on political policy. They need to understand that some people see them as cooperating with evil and may understandably choose not to do "business" them.

      Two views from the WaPo on the "shunning" of Sarah Sanders. Jennifer Rubin is a consistent, conservative (the reason her column is called "Right Turn") #NeverTrumper.

      https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/right-turn/wp/2018/06/23/sarah-huckabee-sanders-and-the-lost-art-of-shunning/?utm_term=.2d8e1a9d3254

      The editorial board says to let them eat in peace.

      https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/let-the-trump-team-eat-in-peace/2018/06/24/46882e16-779a-11e8-80be-6d32e182a3bc_story.html?utm_term=.5b7605b580d4

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    11. I look at the Red Hen incident as somewhat analogous to the family situation when my mother died, a family in which political and religious fractures are long and deep.

      I could have told certain individuals not to come to my mother's funeral. But even I am not that big a bitch. Several came. Some even showed up for the coffee at Mom's house afterward. They ate my cake and cookies. They kept their mouths shut about politics and religion, at least in my hearing. So did I.

      There were individuals in the family who made it clear they weren't coming because they did not want to seem to sanction Unitarianism or liberal politics by attending the service (which was not political). I appreciated that they stayed away.

      But none of these people can say I wasn't tolerant and hospitable on a very difficult day under trying circumstances.

      I expect someone who runs a public restaurant to be at least as courteous as me.

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    12. Well, she was courteous. She took Ms. Sanders outside to quietly explain the situation to her, rather than ordering her to leave in front of the other diners. She comped the food and drinks the first 7 arrivals had consumed.

      John McCain has indicated that he does not want the President of the US to come to his funeral, which will be in Washington DC about a mile from the White House. I suppose that is not being "tolerant" or "hospitable", but I'm glad he has made it clear that Trump is NOT welcome to show up.

      I'm not willing to judge the owner of the Red Hen, because, as I said, I don't see this as a matter of normal political differences, but as something far more serious than that. My only concern is that if the anti-Trump agenda people begin acting too much like the Trump supporters, it could backfire. But the Trump supporters are very often nasty, vulgar, and use hate rhetoric. The owner of the Red Hen did not respond that way, but as politely as she could, given that she was asking someone to leave her restaurant.
      The quote someone provided earlier may be relevant to this situation - William Lloyd Garrison:
      "I am aware that many object to the severity of my language; but is there not cause for severity? I will be as harsh as truth, and as uncompromising as justice. On this subject, I do not wish to think, or to speak, or write, with moderation. …. — but urge me not to use moderation in a cause like the present. I am in earnest — I will not equivocate — I will not excuse — I will not retreat a single inch — AND I WILL BE HEARD."
      As far as family funerals go, my family situation is/was very different than yours. I never had to deal with having estranged relatives show up at my parents' funerals (and clean out the house while it was going on). Even though my mother was one of four, and my father was the youngest of nine, I didn't know many aunts, uncles or cousins. To say neither family was close is more than a bit of an understatement. I knew one uncle (who died at age 42) and I stayed close to his widow and child, my first cousin - mother's side. The only cousin I know. When my mother died, I have no idea whether or not her two surviving siblings were still alive themselves. They certainly were not at her funeral (the church was full, but with friends), and may not have even known she had died, if either was still alive. So, no issues involved in having a bunch of relative who disapproved of my mother show up. I never knew any of my father's siblings, except for one sister, who never married. I never knew any cousins on that side. When he died the only people at his funeral were his five children, his ex-wife (my mom), and the family that lived next door to him.
      I honestly don't know if I could be as kind and hospitable to hostile family members as you were., but I congratulate you on being a bigger person than some of your relatives apparently are.

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    13. What I'm reading about the Red Hen now is that a) the incident has closed the place at least temporarily due to protests and trolls and b) another establishment of the same name is suffering business loss.

      So was making this an issue ultimately good for the workers if they lose their jobs? What good will it do the nation of a nice, friendly, tolerant place goes out of business because it refused to serve a lying puppet of a corrupt administration?

      Unless you think that a restaurant that serves members of the Trump administration should be viewed as Quislings or collaborators, it just seems like a pyrrhic victory to kick her out.

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    14. POr, turning it around, Jean: What kind of people would force a restaurant to close and put people out of jobs to uphold a political principle of exclusion of the not-Us?

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    15. My concern is that there are a lot of those people. My next concern is whether their numbers are growing. Even if not a majority, they are more than enough to do to our country a lot of damage. They already have.

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    16. Tom, I see your point, certainly. Not sure how it justified kicking Sanders out of a restaurant just for being her.

      Stanley, if the number of "those peole" is growing, we need to make sure we don't join them in employing the same tactics.

      Be mad, be indignant, vow not to be like them, vote against them. Use different tactics is all I'm saying.

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    17. Jean, I agree that these tactics are probably counterproductive in that they feed into the media and especially social media noise. Trump feeds off of noise and discord, even that which he doesn't personally generate. The purpose is to keep the masses in a state of perpetual emotional frenzy.

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  10. By "here and there", I didn't mean our "here", of course.

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  11. When I see stuff like this, I fear that hoping that this country might reach a point where the vulgarity, immorality, sheer nastiness, lying etc become too much, and make a turn around simply to have a decent human being in the White House is wishful thinking.

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-religion-brothels/in-age-of-trump-evangelicals-back-self-styled-top-u-s-pimp-idUSKBN1JI1A9

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    1. Anything for "religious freedom," according to Mr. Hof's supporters.

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    2. How about, "Sin for religious freedom."

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  12. Anne Applebaum of the WASHPost

    "These tactics will produce casualties. The border police who took children from their parents at the U.S.-Mexico border were mentally prepared to do so thanks to the language of dehumanization. About a third of Americans — most of whom would intervene if they saw a toddler being ripped away from her mother at the house next door — were prepared to accept it as well. They will also produce imitators and amplifiers, such as the Oregon woman who called for immigrants to be shot at the border, or the Fox News pundit who said there was no need to worry about those children because, after all, they aren’t American.

    "In the longer term, there will be another kind of price to pay: Eventually it will be impossible to discuss real immigration issues, or to talk about real immigrants, if a large part of the public has come to believe in quasi-authoritarian fictions. You can’t speak about work visas or asylum laws if you think you are being confronted by a horde of rapists. You can’t find a European solution to a real refugee crisis, involving real people displaced by war, if the public only understands them as the inhabitants of nonexistent “ no-go zones .” Veil reality in myth , and it becomes easier to manipulate — but impossible to understand or address."
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/global-opinions/the-dark-history-behind-trumps-inflammatory-language/2018/06/22/54288982-7649-11e8-b4b7-308400242c2e_story.html?utm_term=.c3950175ae37

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  13. I have been trying to copy one of these images, and successfully pasted one into an email, but can't paste it into this form. So here is a link to a Google page of images of the Dr. Seuss cartoon of 1941 that unfortunately seems all too relevant right now.

    https://www.google.com/search?q=dr.+seuss+it%27s+ok+they+are+foreign+children&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwib_JzN2erbAhXIrVkKHfASBiwQsAQIKA&biw=1181&bih=572#imgrc=9yQh7osMrOLwJM:

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    1. Anne C, Thanks. One of my favorite authors, as good when he was young as when he was old.

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  14. Then there is this item in the news this morning. "Rep. Maxine Waters (D-Calif.) warned members of Donald Trump’s cabinet to be prepared for a slew of outraged heckling and public shaming on the streets and in restaurants and stores..." My opinion is that this kind of thing does more harm than good. It is red meat to the right-wing, and while emotionally satisfying to some, accomplishes little except sound and fury. And while the media is focusing on protesters, the Trump administration is doing business as usual dismantling America. We need a coordinated rebuttal to Trump in the form of the November midterms. And it isn't too early for the Dems to start getting serious about presidential candidates. And even for the not-Trump Republicans to find somebody who could take the nomination away from him.

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    1. Yes. Impulsive Bronx cheers are one thing. Organized marches in public are another thing. Both are OK by me. Organized Bronx cheers in private businesses are nutty and, yes I agree here, self-defeating. You do have to be careful to shoot at the right foot.

      I agree that the D's ought to be looking for a candidate to take on Trump. As far as I can tell, they have confined their search to the Social Security rolls.

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    2. Social Security rolls, yeah, it seems that way. On the other hand we don't want an unseasoned newbie with a steep learning curve ahead. Cory Booker? Tulsi Gabbard? Tammy Duckworth?

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    3. Duckworth is probably ineligible as not a "natural-born citizen." Neither of her parents were Americans. She would, however, drive El Trumpo crazy, since he goes all melty over military officers. And the fact that she lost her legs for her country while El Trumpo's foot precluded him from doing anything for anybody might just shut him up about how much he claims to loooooove vets.

      Is it just me, or is Booker too good to be true?

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    4. Actually Duckworth's father was an American citizen, working for the US government while in Thailand. If Cruz was eligible, she ought to be. However, she has two little kids and may not want to put her family through the meatgrinder of a presidential election.

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    5. I don't know if Booker is too good to be true; but if there is anything to be dug up in his past you can be sure that the R's will be on it.

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