Tuesday, February 13, 2018

"What are they giving out today?"



There are many qualities of the Trump Administration that frequently are criticized: the incompetence; the chaos; the tweeting; the lying; the contempt for Constitutional norms; the hostility toward immigrants; and so on.  Most of these qualities, of course, are more or less directly traceable to the character and personality of the president.

But there is another aspect of the Trump Administration that may deserve more consideration than it has received so far: the policy innovations.

I suppose that Betsy DeVos in the Department of Education has come across so far as the chief innovator.  On the whole, her innovations tend to run along somewhat predictable conservative lines: cutting budgets, rescinding regulations, supporting school choice and holding borrowers accountable for their loans.

So it was interesting to read today that the Trump Administration is proposing a radical change to the program that still is popularly known as food stamps.  Here is Helena Bottemiller Evich's description at Politico:
The proposal, buried in the White House’s fiscal 2019 budget, would replace about half of the money most families receive via the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program, also known as food stamps, with what the Department of Agriculture is calling “America’s Harvest Box.” That package would be made up of "100 percent U.S. grown and produced food" and would include items like shelf-stable milk, peanut butter, canned fruits and meats, and cereal.
It seems that the momentum, if any, for this novel approach did not come from the grassroots, nor the usual channels of conservative policy:
The idea that USDA would provide millions of low-income people packages of food on a national scale has not been floated by conservative think tanks, promoted by industry, or sought by previous administrations.  [USDA spokesman Tim] Murtaugh said the concept was developed internally at USDA.  [OMB Director Mick] Mulvaney on Monday credited [USDA Secretary Sonny] Perdue for it during a briefing at the White House. 
"Secretary Perdue wanted to give it a chance," he said.  "We thought it was a tremendous idea."
Much of the remainder of the article consists of various experts and advocates explaining why this may not be a very good idea:
Kevin Concannon, who oversaw SNAP during the Obama Administration, was aghast when he saw the proposal.  "Holy mackerel," said Concannon, who said it reminded him of when poor people had to line up and wait for local officials to dole out food and other welfare benefits.  "I don't know where this came from, but I suspect that the folks when they were drawing it up were also watching silent movies." 
Other anti-hunger advocates said the concept was reminiscent of wartime rations or soup lines during the Great Depression.  The Food Research and Action Center, a prominent nonprofit group, called the harvest box idea "a Rube Goldberg-designed system" that would be "costly, inefficient, stigmatizing and prone to failure."
I am all for taking a fresh look at government programs, especially those that spend upward of $70 billion annually for 16 million recipients.  But ...

The Politico article does a nice job of calling out that one of the strengths of the SNAP program is that it leverages existing distribution channels.   Recipients take their SNAP card to the local supermarket and buy whatever groceries are covered under the program.  Thus recipients benefit from the same complex logistics that bring fresh meat, produce, dairy products and other high quality goods to American consumers.  The harvest box program presumably would bypass those existing logistics arrangements and would require constructing a parallel system of distribution.  If I were a member of Congress concerned about the cost of the SNAP program, I'd wish to be shown that the cost of this parallel distribution system wouldn't offset whatever savings are imagined from the government using its purchasing power to buy peanut butter, rice, breakfast cereal and whatever else goes in the box.

And whatever system of logistics is devised, it doesn't strain the imagination to suppose that it will require recipients to go to a distribution point and wait in line to receive their box of non-perishables.  Not to put too fine a point on it, but this is one of the reasons that people were so eager to leave the Soviet Union.  Again, looking at this from a conservative point of view, what experience of government programs makes the USDA confident that it will deliver the right quantities of goods to the right places at the right times to feed the right people?

Another strength of the existing SNAP program is that it respects the dignity of the recipients.  It allows them to shop with their fellow citizens, choose the goods they wish to purchase, and pay for them in a relatively unobtrusive way.  There is nothing dignified about waiting in line to receive one's free handouts.

The scheme may have its merits.  But - to draw one more time from the conservative playbook - let's not roll it out at a grand scale in order to shake out the bugs.  Why not budget a modest amount and run a few small pilot projects?  And then learn some lessons?  The hungry people aren't going anywhere; the poor we will always have with us.  If this idea is an improvement, let's demonstrate it on a small scale, rather than charging ahead with a chain saw to start cutting gigantic holes in the safety net.



30 comments:

  1. To paraphrase Yogi Berra, it's deja vu all over again. I don't know how anybody got the idea that this was a new idea. It's just a retread of the old commodities program. Whatever the USDA has a surplus of, that's what they give out. Whether that's what the individual or family needs or not. Years ago I used to work for a home health care agency. My clients were mainly older or disabled people. A lot of them got commodities. I was the recipient of a lot of cheese, because some of them were lactose intolerant. And flour and corn meal, because they didn't bake for just one person, and someone just as well use it. The idea was, they don't give out frilly stuff, just basics. That's probably still the philosophy. Trouble is it doesn't do a very good job of feeding people. Oh, maybe it's my imagination, but it kind of seems like they want to punish poor people for needing food assistance.

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    1. Katherine, was that program in the 1980s? I have a memory of sitting in an undergraduate class and the teacher making fun of the cheese that was getting passed out, and one of the students complaining that it wasn't even good-quality cheese; apparently it was American cheese.

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    2. Jim, the Commodity Supplemental Food Program, as it is called, still exists, as a program for low income seniors. My experience in my former job was in the 1980s. Actually the cheese and other food were good quality. The main problem with the program was that it was an inefficient way of making sure that people weren't hungry, and got what they could actually use. Plus it did not include fresh food such as produce, which was a real need by the clients. At that time you couldn't receive both food stamps and commodities. SNAP is a much better program, I don't know why we have to re-invent the wheel. I notice in the wiki article that Alabama is one of the only states where they don't do commodities. Isn't Secretary Pruitt from Alabama?

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  2. This is a terrible idea.

    SNAP supports local grocery businesses and Farmers Markets--all the SNAP money will be spent in the recipient's local area--and it encourages competition among food retailers, keeping prices lower for everyone. In poor areas, grocery stores rely on SNAP recipients to stay open; without them, food deserts arise. SNAP recipients can also spend their allotment using store coupons or discount cards, giving them (and taxpayers) a bigger bang for their buck.

    Pulling poor people out of the grocery store and into a church basement or community center gym for a handout box of whatever the government has on hand once a month is a terrible idea.

    It will not save money, it will not foster competition, it will not contribute to local business, it will not save money, it will not improve nutrition, and it will exacerbate shortages of food in areas where grocery stores operate on a slim profit margin.

    These ideas spring from the notion that lazy ass people should not get a free lunch. However, about two-thirds of SNAP recipients are employed. https://www.cbpp.org/research/the-relationship-between-snap-and-work-among-low-income-households

    Instead of spending money on distribution of food that recipients may not want or need, or subsidizing cheapskate businesses who don't pay people what they're worth, raise minimum wage.

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    1. Really, it's kind of un-Republican, too. It builds a lot of logistical complexity into a conceptually simple and well-functioning government program.

      Maybe the food companies support it and are pulling strings to make it happen. I can imagine them salivating at the prospect of billions of dollars in federal contracts.

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  3. Conversation overheard at work today: "I saw somebody pay for groceries with a SNAP card. Then they go out to the parking lot and get in a pickup with in-transit stickers. WTF, I can't afford a brand new pickup!" All I can say is, they must have terrific vision to be able to tell a SNAP card from a regular debit card at ten feet or so. Not to mention omniscience to know the circumstances concerning the truck with in-transits. A little hint to them: new cars from a dealership don't have in-transit stickers in this state. That would be private sales from an individual. Some people are awfully good at minding other people's business.

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    1. I wish those judgy people would spend a Saturday with me at our parish food pantry and see who comes for food. I could send them out to the parking lot to inspect the vehicles of those who are fortunate to have a car. I don't think they'll see many newer models. Requests for help with car repairs is one of the more common requests that our little Outreach group gets. If you actually live in the car - and I mean that literally - it makes one appreciate having gas, a heater that works, etc.

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    2. There is an idea that if someone doesn't look poor, they're screwing the system. One of my fellow adjuncts was on SNAP for a time when her husband abandoned her and her three daughters. She drove a Lincoln (paid for) and had nice clothes from her marriage days. But she lived in subsidized housing and needed food assistance to feed her family.

      The sad thing is that the judgy people griping about a new pick-up will be just as hard on poor people who look unkempt and drive beaters for "letting themselves go."

      I'm glad your outreach group extends to cars. One of the auto parts stores hires our auto tech students, and they will make minor repairs for anyone, labor-free. They tell me that things are better now, but during the recession, they saw a lot of families living in vans.

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    3. Dang, Jean, that is a great idea. I'm going to reach out to our local high school to see if those auto tech students could somehow be lasso'd to do car repairs. We pay for parts and labor at local auto repair shops (at least, we do when our bank account is flush enough). Those places are all over the map in terms of what they charge. It's like hospital pricing for medical procedures.

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    4. Put those kids to work, Jim!

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  4. I had understood that one purpose of the commodities program, maybe the main purpose, was to support agricultural prices. So this idea may be a two-fer; an increase of support for farm prices, and a way to trim the so-called entitlements budget.

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  5. How are the working poor supposed to take off work to get their grub from distribution centers? It's another way to humiliate them--"Boss, I need Wednesday off to stand in the bread line."

    If the gub'mint wants to give away food to support ag prices, why not give it to existing distribution centers, aka, local food pantries and churches that serve hot meals, and raise the bar for SNAP recipients?

    Or the poor could just live on Chee-Tohs and Totino's pizza from the gas station as God intended.

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  6. Well, if they layer on the humiliations for getting food aid and other forms of assistance, the disadvantaged may have to resort to a more dignified way of getting what they need. Steal it.

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  7. Well, I see that we are of one accord.

    All I can add is that if Mick Mulvaney is an economist, so is a box of popcorn. And Betsy De Vos and her nearest and dearest keep an ocean-going yacht on the Great Lakes -- which clues you that she not only doesn't know how the 99 percent live, but she also doesn't know how the 1 percent live. And that I suspect "American-made" is code for some administration official's side business is going to make out big. Unless the plan is to hand out American-made Trump pasta.

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  8. Last night the NewsHour reported in a squib that boxes would be sent to recipients and include perishables such as meats. SNAP allotments would be reduced. If these items are sent individually, the assemblage and mail costs would likely exceed the SNAP allotment reductions. I guess it would create some make-work jobs. But it isn't going to save money.

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    1. There has been talk that this would be a "Blue Apron" type service. I suppose the government could contract with UPS or Uber to deliver the boxes, or even outsource the whole program to Amazon. I agree with Jean that it's difficult to believe that this would be a money saver.

      And if I ever find myself in the position of needing this service: I'd rather just have the SNAP card, which allows me to use my judgment, rather than the government's judgment, as to what my family should be eating. Conservatives just spent eight years pillorying Michele Obama (who, regardless of the merit of her ideas, surely didn't deserve the personal attacks) for trying to make the government too dictatorial in the matter of school lunches. How is this different? -- well, beyond the fact that school lunches impact *our* kids, whereas food stamps are just for *them*?

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    2. In Evicted,last year's Pulitzer Prize winner for non-fiction about poverty housing in Milwaukee, Matthew Desmond recorded how one of the mothers he was following celebrated finding a rental apartment for herself and her kids (after months in homeless shelters) by blowing the SNAP for a dinner of lobster tails. She knew 30 days of hunger would be added to the price, but after what they had been through, she judged that it was worth it.

      Other folks' reactions are worth thinking about. Any of us would do the middle-class equivalent and say we deserved it after what we'd been through. But I think the administration would find itself shocked, appalled and horrified by such effrontery among the undeserving poor and would bend all of its efforts to putting a stop to it. 'Cause if you got money, you get to tell other people how to live, right?

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    3. Lord, spare me from this kind of joyless parsimony. It makes me weep. Literally. Oughtn't we see that poor woman's feast as her teaching a lesson of hope to her kids? And without hope, how can her kids aspire to anything better? As a taxpayer, I'm proud to have contributed to it, and I will remember that woman in my prayers tonight.

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    4. Jean, about the joyless parsimony, it makes me think of the Rev. Mr. Brocklehurst in Jane Eyre.

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  9. Trump doesn't pay a damned thing for feasting at the trough of the Presidency, either in DC or at all of the other places he travels on gummint bizness. Would he want to be told what he could eat because it is being provided by the taxpayers? The effing hubris of this sorry sack of spit administration is beyond belief.

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    1. There has to be a warehouse with surplus MRE's that could maintain Trump and Melania for the next three or seven years.

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    2. Among the items the Politico article listed as possible contents of the package is "shelf-stable milk". Is that a fancy name for Carnation? Have any of you ever actually drunk a glass or poured it over your Cocoa Krispies? Anything to report? We use cans of evaporated milk for some fudge recipes, and envelopes of powdered milk in a Swedish pancake recipe. I've never actually mixed up a pitcher of milk like they used to show on the label.

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    3. Well, Trump's diet is mostly cheap -- hamburgers and diet Coke. We can afford that -- if we can stop Mick Mulvaney in time.

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    4. Jim, I think the shelf stable milk may be the cartons, similar to quart juice cartons, of irradiated milk which I have seen at Dollar Tree and other places. The shelf life is like forever. I've never tried it so don't know how it tastes. It may be the canned evaporated kind too. I remember my mom making baby formula back in the 50s with Carnation and Karo syrup.

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  10. From what I've read, these boxes are going to contain non perishable items. Which would mean canned food and dry goods. Not that there is anything wrong with these, but it certainly isn't like "Blue Apron". I can't believe they said that. Blue Apron is weekly, contains fresh and frozen food, and assumes a fully equipped kitchen. Freezers, and maybe even kitchen ranges, aren't necessarily something everybody owns. Blue Apron prudently hasn't said anything about the comparison.
    Fortunately I think this lame proposal has a pretty good chance of getting shot down.

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    1. The NewsHour bit said a combo of fresh and nonperishables, I think. Blue Apron. What a racket that is. Meals on Wheels for Yuppies.

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    2. If they're going to include fresh, I wonder how they're going to handle keeping it cold until distribution. I guess maybe refrigerated trucks? That's going to add to the cost. Not to mention the recipient is going to have to use it quickly, or be able to freeze it. Not so good if you only get it once a month. I agree with you about Blue Apron. Meals on Wheels for Yuppies, LOL!

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    3. Our Outreach clients who are homeless have little interest in the non-perishables from our food pantry (which presumably would be pretty similar to the content of the Trump Boxes) because cooking isn't an option for them. They have no kitchens, and they have to carry around everything they own; if they own a car they can toss items in the back seat or trunk, but if they ride a bicycle or are on foot it's a matter of hauling stuff around in grocery bags or backpacks. Canned goods are heavy.

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    4. Katherine, a couple of work friends are always trying to get me to join Blue Apron because they get some kind of finder's fee. Somehow the Blue Apron people have gotten my email.

      Jim points out the fact that those who need food are a varied group--working poor living payday-to-payday to homeless people living meal-to-meal.

      I try to buy diapers and feminine hygiene products. The parish divides its weekly collection between the food pantry and domestic violence shelter where both are needed. SNAP doesn't cover these items.

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    5. A Michigan policy wonk was talking about this on the local NPR affiliate. He indicated that the government would likely contract out assembling and shipping boxes to private enterprises. The grocer's lobby is also not happy with this proposal. The more I hear about this, the more the scheme sounds impractical and expensive.

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