Tuesday, August 15, 2017

Look Out for the Liberal Label



 This started as a comment on Crystal’s post aimed not at changing the subject but at getting back to it.  But then it wandered out of control, and it seems more like a separate post.



  My point was to be that this country has never had ideological parties, and when we talk as if we do – as, for example, Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren have been lately – we are playing right into the hands of people who know what they are doing and who are neither left nor right, just greedy.



  European party ideologues will see a wall and march right into it if their ideology tells them the wall isn’t there, or shouldn’t be. We never had parties like that -- before now. They aren’t a good idea for a country with our kind of sprawl.






FDR (who is as far back as I can go) experimented himself into what his opponents labeled liberalism.  But every step of the way he was relying on votes of the Southern Democrats, many of whom differed only in dress from the Ku Klux Klan, usually thought of as conservative. Eisenhower delivered the liberal-sounding Farewell Address warning (presciently) against the military-industrial complex. In death, JFK was a liberal, but in office he was the most cautious centrist since Herbert Hoover, usually thought of as a conservative.



It goes on. Nixon started the Environmental Protection Agency.  Reagan talked to Gorbachev about beating A-bombs into plowshares, frightening his advisers and baffling Gorby. Reagan was the closest thing we’ve had to a conservative president, but when he saw a wall where his beliefs were taking him he could back off. LBJ was a liberal (except when it came to offshore oil drilling), but he couldn’t have been elected on his own in 1960, and when he became president he was bogged down in the law that developed from his predecessor’s equivocations. When he ran for president in 1964 he had the good fortune to be the liberal everyone knew running against the avowed conservative who scared so many people.



Both parties have had their fringes, but both were big tents until Republicans convinced themselves that Ronald Reagan was the Second Coming and allowed well-funded think tankers known as “fellows” to tell them what he really did; it wasn’t then what they say it was today. (Reagan’s signature achievement was giving Republican baptism to a tax reform bill that had sprung from Democrats Bill Bradley and Dick Gephardt. You can look it up. He himself had to begin undoing the conservative budgets they talk about now.)



Forty years of promoting greed in the name of Milton Friedman and a couple of Austrians but for the benefit of extraction companies (remember LBJ and offshore oil) and the military-industrial complex have created a Republican Party with a reactionary ideology. The president isn’t anything in particular, but he has stuffed the Cabinet with ideologues in tinfoil hats, and many of Paul Ryan’s acolytes actually believe the market can bring down the cost of health care, even though the countries with lower costs (and better results) all regulate the living daylights out of it. They see a wall but they know it can’t be there.



If Republicans want to call that conservative, the Democrats ought to call them on it. If they simply try to run as an equal and opposite reaction, they will be running through the mud of  40 years of propaganda.  When Nissan workers vote as if they expect have Trump to protect them but not a union, you are looking at the need for years of rebranding before you can win on a horse named Left Wing. And, despite what they say about George Soros at Fox, the Ds don’t have a bunch of Koches and Scaifes and Bradleys to glitter up the liberal image.

That doesn't mean the D's shouldn't do liberal-like things like putting the teeth back into laws protecting unions, or fighting climate change (survival, I guess, is liberal by default). But if they play name games on a field where the sidelines were drawn by reactionaries they will always be called for being out of bounds.

15 comments:

  1. I am sorry. I can't get the break to stick.

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  2. Of all the political labels (left, right, conservative, progressive) liberal appears to be the most ambiguous. It can connote free, flexible, or even generous. All good sounding things in context. In practice it can mean many things.

    We have a representative democracy in which we elect people, not parties, to make decisions on our behalf. At its best the parties ought to be more like sports teams, each trying to get the best team on the field. We can root for individual players and teams, and have our ideas about how the game of governance should be played.

    Ideology does not seem very useful particularly in our complex world. One of Francis four "political principles' says that ideas have to give way to realities. Perhaps that came from his scientific education.

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  3. America never developed a viable social-democratic party. But the Democratic Party did have two simple principles that they have lost. The first was that as industrial productivity improved, workers would share in the increased wealth. This sharing meant that (more or less) the share of economic production going to workers would remain at least stable. The second was that business was to be integrated in the wider community and that through taxation would support what we might call social reproduction. Business taxes would support infrastructure but also higher education and things like that.

    This has been destroyed over the last thirty years. Productivity gains and expanding financial wealth now goes to the capitalists. Wages are flat. But businesses have been separated from the community. They no longer even pretend that its otherwise; they exist to provide "value" to the stockholders. They are now lightly taxed and now almost the entire weight of what needs to be supported to improve and even to reproduce society is borne on the backs of the workers whose salaries are not increasing.

    Politically, the decline in the wealth of labor and the increase in their reproduction costs has caused them to turn on each other. When the unions were destroyed, the argument supporting this was that it would cause prices to fall. No one really thought about the fact that wages would fall as well. But now workers need the lower prices. In the meantime, flat wages has meant that the internal market has also shrunk. This has made it more attractive for capital to flee abroad.

    So if the Democrats want to come back, they have to at least go back to the things they had in common with what modern social-democracies accept without question. Workers need to share in improvements in production and businesses need to start supporting society again. If this doesn't happen, then all the other stuff isn't going to mean very much.

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  4. I am too late to join the active discussion about the proposal that the Democrats move left. But, this is a related thread, so I will chime in here. Sorry - I will the thoughts based on my background anyway. I am not, and never have been, a member of the Democratic party. I would love to see them move to the Center, I would love to see the GOP move to the Center. I don’t care which party does it, but I would sign up for it.

    Unfortunately, I don’t think a centrist third party would be viable, so it has to be one of the traditional big parties.

    As far as I can tell from reading this board, I may be the only person here who was ever a member of the Republican party. Maybe Katherine also? I left the GOP because it moved too far to the right, had become extremist. I re-registered as "not affiliated", because I could not bring myself to register as a Democrat. I voted for Hillary, but will not register as a Democrat unless it rejects some of its own extremes.

    There are many former and current members of the GOP who have left the party officially, or stand in opposition as #NeverTrump. They also will not move as far left as Elizabeth Warren wants to go – a different extremism than the one we have rejected. There is a website called “political orphan” founded by a former Republican #NeverTrump-er, a group the Democrats could attract if they reject extremism in their party.

    In my dreams, I would like to see a new party - a center party, not the extremes we see today in both parties. Not going to happen.

    Right now the Democrats can’t seem to stop infighting long enough to figure out a strategy to defeat the extreme right that has taken over the GOP and the country. There is even less hope in the GOP unless some of the off-the-record dissenters get a little bolder and start voting their consciences instead of worrying about their tea party "base".

    Jeffrey Flake, junior Senator from AZ, is urging the GOP to return to the center also. I don't agree with much of his voting record but he is almost the only senator in the GOP who never hopped on board the Trump train once he was nominated. He continues to call out Trump, and his new book doesn't back down. He knows he's risking his Senate seat, and Trump's big donors are already committing hundreds of millions to defeat him in the primary in 2018. I bought his book - named after Goldwater’s book - Conscience of a Conservative. He maintains that both Goldwater and Reagan would be rejected by the current Tea Party controlled GOP. He spells out exactly why Trump is not a "real" conservative and never has been. Many “real” conservatives in the media reject Trump – David Brooks (NYT), Jennifer Rubin, Michael Gerson, Charles Krauthammer and Kathleen Parker (most of the time anyway for those two - a bit wish-washy), George Will and many others whose columns I read in the WaPo. George Will and even Joe Scarborough have publicly quit the GOP and are now Independents.

    A Pew Research study shows that the GOP is experiencing dramatic losses among millennials and that the “most fervent” Republicans today are those who were 18 when Eisenhower ran! They won’t be around to vote very much longer, but the young people failed to turn out in the 2016 elections. Perhaps many of the disaffected young GOP could not join their age cohorts in supporting Sanders, or Hillary, and could not Trump either, so simply didn’t vote.

    A Gallup poll in 2016 reported “… 42 percent of Americans identify as independent, compared with 29 percent who say they are Democrats and 26 percent who say they are Republicans.”

    If the Democrats stopped the litmus tests, opened the door to a wider range of views, and moved to the center, they might just attract a lot of disaffected Republicans, as well as disaffected Democrats.

    Some of Jeff Flake's book is quoted below.

    http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/07/31/my-party-is-in-denial-about-donald-trump-215442

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    1. Anne, yes I am still registered as a Republican. The reason I don't change to Independent is that I want to be able to vote against alt right and Freedom Caucus types in the primaries. Also to encourage some Repubs at the state level who aren't looney toons.

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  5. Agree all the way. There was a time, in the late '50s and early '60s, when social science literature AND business magazines adopted the concept of "stakeholders" in a business, to include the customers, the employees, stockholders, management, suppliers and the people living in the neighborhoods near the plants or office. All were seen to have a stake in the company's success and some skin of their own in the game.

    But the era didn't last. "Stakeholder" was turned into just another word for shareholder, and if shareholders are happy management can do as it pleases. Keeping shareholders happy means shoveling to them tons of money. So the employees, customers, suppliers and neighbors are ignored or, better, screwed. A party that names and shames what is going on will still have to convince the victims that it isn't socialist. But that would be a party worth voting for.

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  6. If the divine sacred Middle is so great, I'd be happy to find out what that is. Chances are that everyone here has a different middle so it is as fuzzy a concept as any. As usual, Patrick puts some meat on what seems to be a phantasm. If the Weimar democrats and Nazis had had a middle, would it be to only kill 3M jews in stead if 6M? Would that be ok with everyone? Well, 3M is better than 6M, so shut up, you extremists.

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    1. Stan, you're right that everybody has a different goal post. I think it is a middle value to preserve and improve social security, to fix healthcare, to make it easier for young people to access college, for starters. But some people would call that back-door socialism.

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  7. I agree with my GOP friends that we have to get rid of Medicaid and food stamps for the working poor because the it breeds generation after generation of dependency by highly paid execs on corporate welfare.

    The responsibility to pay for these services lies squarely with the companies.

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    1. Jean, you're right about it being the companies' responsibility to pay for these things. But you will pass out if you are holding your breath waiting for them to do their duty.

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    2. Geez, I wondered why I was getting' dizzy!

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  8. "...because the it breeds generation after generation of dependency by highly paid execs on corporate welfare."

    :)

    Love it. Sad but so true. I am a "conservative" on some matters, such as free trade. But I am a liberal on health care and support some form of single payer - because it's way cheaper and, of course, includes everyone. We are the only country in the OECD that turned health care into a profit making industry, as far as I know. We are also the only one without some form of single payer, and we pay FAR more/capita in health care costs than any other OECD country, while still leaving some out in the cold because they can't afford the premiums, even under Obamacare.

    Neither political party matches my varied set of views, so I just have to prioritize at election time (neither major party is in PERFECT alignment which is, I'm sure, the case with most here) and often split my vote, depending on the office and the candidates for the respective offices. But I am sick of holding my nose and voting for the lesser of the evils, which has become my personal SOP for many elections now. I would love to be able to enthusiastically support a candidate or party at some point before I die, but I don't think it's on the near horizon. Our country is experiencing the biggest divide I've seen in my lifetime (now approaching 70), and any hope for compromise and cooperation in the Congress is now pretty much a pipe-dream. I live in DC, compromise and cooperation were actually once fairly common in Congress.

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  9. Just to see what would happen, I posted a suggestion on a Medicare for All group I joined. I suggested that Congress pass The Defense of Capitalism Act, that would require all companies that issue shares to issue stock options to all employees after a probationary period of six months. The amount of stock options issued to the workers had to equal the amount of stock options issued to management defined as Directors and above. The vesting periods would be the same for all employees.


    Because there is such a separation now between ownership and control, it no longer matters who owns stock. And the people that control the company are simply a class of employee. So with this, at least some classifications of workers would begin to both get an ownership stake (if options incent management, they will incent anyone) and it would be something that would not require redoing the tax codes or messing with salaries. That is, it's something that could be done with just a few pages of legislation. It would cost companies nothing (although speaking as a finance guy, it would probably cause companies to cut option grants to senior management in half).

    Actually, I think that the options issued should be 2/3 to workers and 1/3 to management. But the thing is, it leaves everything just as it is otherwise. And it would be a small start.

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    1. This was not, by the way, a serious proposal. It was a thought experiment to see who would criticize it. I especially wanted to see what the Trumpistas would say about it. No one knocked it.

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