Wednesday, July 30, 2025

Can prayer change reality?

I may have mentioned before that one of my hobbies is listening to NDEs (near death experiences) on Youtube.  Mostly I consider it entertainment to pass the time when I am doing some boring mindless task. I don't view these accounts as holy writ or anything, but once in a while they lead to some insights. 

I find that all the accounts are different, but they all have some things in common. Those would be, a cessation of pain, a sense of profound peace and love, taking place outside of time. The narrators mention meeting a being of light, sometimes calling this entity God, or Jesus, or saying that it is an angel. I am aware that there are some unpleasant NDEs, but I don't go looking for those. I assume there must be a reason for them, but most of the accounts are positive.

Anyway, the latest NDE I listened to was this one:  I Saw How Prayer Actually Changes Reality (NDE)

The narrator was a woman who identified herself as Alice Carter.  She said she had been injured in a bad car wreck caused by a semi driver who fell asleep on the road and crossed the center line.  She was taken to a hospital and the doctors said that she had been clinically dead at one point for over 7 minutes.  

Following is a summary of her account:

She entered what she called a space between spaces, a dimension of pure consciousness. She met a being of light, who introduced themselves as "Gabriel".  She doesn't say that this being was *the* Gabriel, the archangel, or that they were an angel at all. They showed Alice a tapestry of light, with each thread being a prayer being said somewhere. The prayers weren't just words, but actual streams of energy. Some were like laser beams, others were softer. She was shown how prayer interfaces with reality. It isn't just asking for things, it is actually taking part in the creative force of the universe. she was shown that multiple people praying for the same intention amplify each other, a resonance pattern.  

Gabriel showed her a group of people praying for peace in a specific instance, and that a stream of white light was influencing people in that area. That the prayers literally altered brain chemistry reducing aggression and increasing empathy.  He showed her a kind of spiritual DNA pattern that was the pattern of all possible answers to any given prayer.  Prayer doesn't change God's mind, but changes what is possible in the framework of free will and divine law. 

Less effective prayers came from a place of self focus, or lack of regard for God's will. More effective ones came from a place of love, and faith, and a desire to align oneself with God's will.

What was fascinating to me was Gabriel saying that there was a repository of prayer, that the energy didn't just disappear, that every prayer ever said  still existed. That even prayers said hundreds of years ago still influenced events today. He told Alice that the prayers of her great grandmother, who died before she was born, were influencing outcomes in her life.  Which kind of squares with our belief in the Communion of Saints.

Alice was shown that every prayer creates lines of light that form a beautiful web around the planet. Gabriel told her that each prayer participates in the act of creation. He said, "Tell them that their prayer matters more than they think."

The video is about 16 minutes long, like I say, I take these things with a grain of salt, but I just thought it was fascinating.  And was more interesting than cleaning up the refrigerator.

42 comments:

  1. I am far from being an expert on this subject. I have read a few articles over the years but I’m not convinced they are anything more than some kind of electrical storm and release of certain brain chemicals in the near death brain that produce dreams or visions that reflect what our normal dreams produce. But they seem to be more positive than normal dreams because of the release of the brain chemicals that induce peaceful or maybe euphoric feelings instead of anxiety. or nightmares. Not the anxiety dreams we discussed. I suspect that the woman’s visions reflected her own beliefs and hopes.

    I just read an article in the Washingtonian magazine about a group that researches NDEs at the University of Virginia medical school. You might find some interesting stuff there.

    https://med.virginia.edu/perceptual-studies/our-research/near-death-experiences-ndes/

    As far as prayers impacting sick people, I did once have an interesting discussion about praying for the sick with our EC pastor whom i had liked so much. He said that in his pastoral experience he had see what seemed to be positive responses in very sick parishioners who were being prayed for. His thoughts were that these group or community prayers release some kind of positive energy that the recipient feels - a bit like ESP where thoughts of another are communicated to that person. Since I have had an experience of ESP his theory makes more sense to me than the idea that God or a saint or a dead grandmother intercedes.

    I was also clinically dead for several minutes after having a cardiac arrest during surgery when I was ten. Alas, I did not see myself while looking down from the ceiling at the operating table with the surgeon cutting open my chest to physically massage my heart back into action. Nor did I see light, or feel peace, or feel anything at all. And I never had any memory of what happened during the first three days following that surgery. My husband was in the hospital here for 2 1/2 weeks after falling and before going to California. He doesn’t remember anything from that time . His first memories after his fall and surgery were of the plane trip from DC to LA. Our brains act to protect us sometimes I think, although we don’t control it. During those first weeks in the hospital here he said several times after he was told that he probably would never be able to move his legs again that he wanted them just to let him go. That he was useless. He doesn’t remember that fortunately but it was so painful for me to hear.

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    1. I think you are right that our brains sometimes do protect us from remembering traumatic things. We were in a bad car wreck in 1995. My husband had a concussion and was in the hospital for three days. He remembers nothing about that time. I had a broken elbow and was bruised badly from the neck on down, but was not in the hospital. I remember everything about the crash. I have low grade situational PSTD from it, and have bodily things that didn't heal properly. But we weren't killed, or really injured that badly. So we were lucky. But I am unable to relax during a car trip, especially if I'm not driving.

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  2. Forty years ago (!) I read Hans Kung's Eternal Life?: Life After Death as a Medical, Philosophical, and Theological Problem. As I remember it, he began with a tantalizing chapter of stories about NDEs. I remember being surprised and disappointed when he concluded that they told us nothing. The book is still on my shelf, but it's so dusty I am reluctant to take it down. I think a lot has been done on NDEs since 1984, so I'm not sure that chapter would be worth rereading.

    I feel old.

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    1. I don't think I would agree with Hans Kung that NDEs don't tell us anything. I do think that they don't "prove" anything, if proof is what we're looking for. They have similarities to dreams. The narrator of this story called her experience "a space between spaces". But where they differ from dreams is that people who experience them often say that their life was changed by them. I've never had a dream that changed my life. In our discussion last week about dreams, none of us said that we had a dream that was life changing.

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    2. With even “fundamental” physical entities showing evidence of entanglement, I tend to think everything is connected somehow, even the living and the dead. Time seems to separate the living and the dead but what is time, really? NDE’s may be accompanied by chemicals and electrical discharges but doesn’t the same happen when I do math. I don’t think it necessarily invalidates the experience. I pray because I’m a person and prayer is personally relating to the Ground of Being. I think it can work but probably not in a way I understand or is directly observable.

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    3. I’m just not convinced that these NDEs say anything about the existence of an afterlife or a heaven. In reading a bit about them in other countries and. cultures it seems to me that what people see reflects their desires - reuniting with a
      loved one is big everywhere, feeling peaceful, seeing a religious deity - but not not a Christian one if the person isn’t Christian.

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    4. To me, NDEs are an interesting curiosity.
      On the other hand, Jesus promises an afterlife in scripture, and I'll take his promises as truth.

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    5. A Hereafter is possible for some of us, I'm sure. Most of us? I have grave doubts, which probably says more about me than God. I don't think I'm worse than most people. But singing in the Choir Eternal with every Church Lady who ever lived? No thanks.

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    6. I think one thing we can safely say about the life hereafter is that it isn't like here.

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    7. Heaven is for people who love others so much that they want to do it forever. I'm realistic about my limits.

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    8. Pretty sure I'm going to spend some time in purgatory learning how to love others better.

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    9. Jesus's saying that there are many mansions in his father's house may indicate that not everyone needs to go to choir practice on Wednesday evenings.

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  3. People often say that the "dreams" they have with ayahuasca or other psychedelics are lifechanging. I know a few people who have had controlled "trips" following traumatic experiences who said that they received insights from a vantage point beyond this life. Terminally ill patients often report having experiences about death during these trips that eliminate much of their anxiety about it. Psychedelic therapy is illegal in the US, so these claims, like those for cannabinoids, will remain largely anecdotal and untested.

    I think it's certainly possible that NDE's deeply affect those who experience them. It's possible St Julian of Norwich's visions were NDEs. Their value was not in explaining the Hereafter, but in the insights about our relationship with God.

    Dr Oliver Sachs, who took psychedelics at times, wrote about people with "privileged conciousness" who were not only good "receivers" in altered states of mind but good interpreters of their experiences. He pointed to St Hildegard of Bingen as one such "privileged consciousness."

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    1. I have a book by Oliver Sachs that I enjoyed, "Island of the Colorblind" One of the things it involved was people on an island who had Parkinson's-like symptoms, caused by consuming food made from cycad seeds.

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    2. I am very leery of psychedelics, never tried anything harder than marijuana in my misspent youth. Always found the effects pleasant. Tempted to use it in microdoses now for insomnia and anxiety, but I already take enough crap for my various ailments.

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    3. I never took anything, not even smoked weed. My two oldest sons swear by legal gummies ( hemp.?) for sleep I tried them for a few nights last year in Cali. but they didnt help me.

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    4. If the insomnia is truly terrible I take a swig of NyQuil. Not sure what’s in it but it seems to help me. I just take a swallow, not even the whole recommended dose. Sometimes a glass of wine helps, but I have only done that about four times in the last 21 months.

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    5. Probably Benadryl or some other antihistamine in Nyquil. I take Benadryl for itching at night a few times a week. Oncologist suggested Benadryl/Melatonin combo, but I am one of the lucky few who have severe gastric reactions to Melatonin supplements.

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    6. I figure there's no point in me getting a smart watch that monitors how well I'm sleeping, because I already know I sleep lousy a lot of the time. I don't know what a smart watch would do about it.

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    7. I have a Garmin smart watch since sometimes I’m intensely active sometimes. I use it to pace and record my strength workouts as well as my walks which it also maps with gps. I wear it at night so it evaluates my sleep and heart rate. I’m a numbers person so I like what it does. Heart rate goes down to the 50’s at night which sounds healthy. I actually check my watch much more for bio info more than time. When I’m with someone, they’ll ask me if I have to go somewhere and I tell them, no, just seeing if I’m still alive. I get messages, too.

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    8. I have used a digital stopwatch, a clip on pedometer, and a 1-liter water bottle for many years. I need two liters of water every day to keep the chemo moving thru the bloodstream effectively, and certain minimum number of yoga minutes and steps every day to fight the cancer fatigue and brain fog. I also practice getting up off the floor from a prone position without help from furniture. I sometimes challenge Raber at getting up off the floor. He is 6'3" and weighs about 220, and I couldn't help him up

      Metrics are fun and encouraging for lots of people. For others they're just another source of guilt and anxiety. I don't want a smart watch cuz it's all downhill from where I am, and I don't need reminders.

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    9. Since my husbands accident 22 months ago I have gone from 7000-10000 steps/ day to about 2000. I have no stamina. I can’t sit on the floor and get up without using furniture. I’m a physical wreck basically and so lethargic that I make daily resolves to do something but never do, so I feel guilty. Two summers ago I was in good shape. It doesn’t take very long to lose fitness. I have always detested exercise, gyms, exercise classes, etc. but at least I walked. The old people yoga classes that my husband and I attended together were ok. But he also had to push me out the door for our classes. He was always athletic, and exercised every day. He does daily pull-ups in his hospital bed using the trapeze because it’s the only part of his body that he can move voluntarily. I do nothing and I know that I’m only going to get weaker but don’t know how to motivate myself. I do t put on my old Fitbit because looking at the step count no longer motivates me it just makes me feel guilty.

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    10. Earlier this spring I had been walking 20-25 minutes a day. The day after surgery I asked the doctor when I could start walking again. He said, "Tomorrow, if you want to." So I started out just walking to the end of the block, then pretty quickly worked up to where I was before. But I should be doing longer walks. I had a fit bit but I lost it. I found my old step counter and bought a new battery this morning so will try to work up to more steps

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    11. Anne, I am so sorry. Nowhere can you see the mind-body connection as clearly as when you look at the effect of extreme stress and worry on energy and fitness.

      In my cancer group, we seem to spend a lot of time encouraging each other to move more. That's good, of course. But a few of us long-timers talk about trying to hang onto plain old joy of life as things progress.

      I often flog myself to do my requisite moving with little rewards like the blackberry jam I get from the UP, or reading a book, or learning some new knitting thing, or driving out to look at the buffalo herd west of town.

      I think hanging onto joy is really a challenge for lots of us in these later years, to hang onto what brings us joy in the face if setbacks and loss. Prayers to Philip Neri, patron saint of joy in both RC and C of E, would not go amiss. I hope he will settle in with you for awhile and lift your spirits.

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    12. Thank you, Jean. Joy has been scarce since September 22, 2023. I wish I had a support group like your cancer group.

      After not being able to read, literally, for 9 months, I now read constantly - as an escape though.

      I’ll try St Philip Neri even though I don’t believe in saints interceding in peoples lives. I’ll keep you posted.

      Our youngest son and his family arrive on Sunday for a week. The kids used to give me joy, just being around them. Not so much anymore, up they do bring joy to my husband, so it’s good that they are coming. We’ve only seen them 3 times since my husband’s accident. Two years ago, in the summer they were here and we had a wonderful, joyous visit. But now we can’t do the things we did - walk to the pond to see the ducks and geese, go to the museums, take walks, kick around a ball. It is hard to find joy when old - even harder when dealing with illness.

      One reason I don’t walk or go to yoga is because I miss my husband so much - he used to do them with me. The joy is gone now and they are just another chore that I don’t feel like doing. It’s very lonely doing things without him.

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    13. I think the saints gave us their example and encouragement, and that they are with us. They don't change anything on their own, but their example can sometimes help us shift.

      I was very angry after Raber's heart attack, mostly I think it was fear. I did not think I could deal with new challenges and responsibilities, worried we would not be able to care for ourselves, and as ever we struggle financially. We have many challenges ahead as his cognitive issues develop, but I'm learning to play the hand I've been dealt with more slightly more kindness and patience.

      I'm sure there must be online groups for caregivers of spinal cord injury patients if you feel that would help.

      Hope you have a good visit with family.

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    14. I know the feeling of fear manifesting itself as anger. Grief can do that too.
      Anne, I hope you have a good time with your family.

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    15. Thank you for your support. For some reason I’ve been very down again for a few days. I have generally been in better shape mood wise since about January. But I have been feeling worn out recently. Exhausted.

      Anyway, every major religion, including Native American and other indigenous religions, speculates that something of us continues in some way after bodily death. Reincarnation, heaven or hell, etc. I think it’s simply an innate human survival instinct. We understand intellectually that our bodies will die, but know also that our bodies are not who we are. Our essence isn’t physical. We can’t envision that our essence - invisible, non- material - our spirits or souls- do not live on in some way. That we - our essence - will be annihilated along with all our memories, everything we experienced in our physical lives. I tend to think that belief in an afterlife is sort of universal wishful thinking. I WANT to believe it - I WANT to believe that I won’t lose my connection with those I love the most - my husband, our sons, our grandchildren, my sister, a few friends. I want to believe that the afterlife is an unending state of peace and joy - no pain, personal, emotional or physical. I WANT to believe that God - the force or energy that created the universe, including us - is Love. It I don’t KNOW this. I don’t KNOW that any of these things that I WANT to believe are true. Nobody does. Theology - the very term is almost an oxymoron - because God is mystery, beyond our limited, finite human understanding.. It’s faith, belief - but it’s not knowing. I TRY to choose to believe. It’s the best I can do.

      I really wish I had the kind of faith that Katherine and Jim and Stanley have. But I don’t. I probably saw that level of faith begin to go when I was first presented with a teaching in about 3rd grade in a Catholic school that I rejected with my whole mind and heart - that only Catholics could go to heaven. Around the same time, or no more than a year later ( after which I was in public school) I was taught that the Pope is infallible. The long, slow, lifetime slide from faith to doubt had begun. At first the doubts were tied only to Catholic teaching. Later to christian teachings in general - the Trinity, the resurrection, the Virgin birth etc. Finally I have tried to simply learn “ to live the questions”, to live with mystery, and to simply try to live a life following the teachings of Jesus primarily, but also some of those of Buddhism and other wisdom traditions. I fail at this all the time. I don’t believe that confessing to a priest or other clergy is important, but I do believe that examining our consciences regularly is very important. Not because of fear of hell, but because of wanting to love others as Jesus taught. To learn to be kind, compassionate, forgiving , to care for others, as Jesus (and Buddhism) emphasize,

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    16. Even if there is no Heaven or Hell, what we do here has long reverberations. The mental illness and alcoholism goes back as far as living memory in my family. I have to believe that the good we do has reverberations that outlive us, too. That's enough to persuade me that it's worth following Jesus.

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    17. Anne said: "Since my husbands accident 22 months ago I have gone from 7000-10000 steps/ day to about 2000."

      Taking care of Betty has also reduced my ability to care for my health. My steps declined for over 7000 last year to about 5000 when Betty became very impaired after January, to around 3000 after her daughter's death in May. My sleep quantity and quality have also suffered. My blood pressure is out of control.

      So, I will be starting physical therapy at the end of the month to help focus my attention on exercise to help restore my steps and sleep and bring down my blood pressure.

      As I have told Betty, I won't be able to give her much care if a heart attack, or stoke, or fall impair my ability to function.

      My overload of things to do and to think about is as much due to the demands of my property and the household (which Betty no longer contributes to) as to the increased demands of her care both physical and psychological.

      Fortunately. I am getting a lot more help recently in taking care of my property. A father and son crew are helping to contain the jungle that it has become, and to put much of it into perennials that will require less maintenance (which they can do for us). But supervising this new crew does still requires a fair amount of effort during the transition to a new landscape.

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    18. Take care of yourself, Jack. Your landscaping plan sounds wise, but it is hard sometimes to downsize or give up things you enjoy.

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    19. I am praying for all of us, including those who aren't currently going through health or other issues. Because things can change in a heartbeat, and even if they don't, we still need to find joy.
      About the belief that only Catholics go to heaven, I have never believed that, so I guess I am a cafeteria Catholic. That would mean half my blood relatives and all of my in laws would be out of luck.

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    20. Here's my prayer to St Philip Neri this morning:

      O holy St. Philip Neri, you who said "A joyful heart is more easily made perfect than a downcast one," help us with our worries and sorrows [especially ...]. Fill our hearts with love for God and and joy in all creation [especially ...]. And may the joy of the Holy Spirit which filled your heart transform our lives and bring us peace. Amen

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  4. On a relayed theme, this came thru from the local parish via the diocese. Boy, Catholics did not waste time banging this program together. By all means, let's add religious proselytizing to everybody's workplace stress and sandbag on our own work while we look for opportunities to tell folks the Good News.

    Mission Memo from Craig Pohl
    Chair of the Department of Evangelization and Catechesis
    Director of the Office of New Evangelization
    Diocese of Lansing

    I recently saw this article about how people have the right to share their faith in federal workplaces.

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    "The Trump administration issued new guidance July 28, affirming that federal employees may openly express their religious beliefs at work — including praying with others, sharing their faith, and displaying religious symbols in their offices."

    I thought it was a good reminder that it's not just clergy who have the responsibility of bringing the Gospel to those around them.

    Yet, I get it, a real tension remains in people's hearts about how much they can actually say and how far they can actually go in sharing their Faith at work.

    That's why a new ministry called, "Unleash the Gospel at Work" was created!

    If you'd like to learn more about this organization, or bring presenters from UTG @ Work into your parish for an evening or day-long presentation for your folks, just let me know, the Office of New Evangelization might have some financial assistance for you to help make that happen."

    Yours in Christ,

    Craig Pohl

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    1. More on Unleash the Gospel @ Work:

      https://www.pillarcatholic.com/p/detroit-ministry-aims-to-unleash

      Most of this sounds like urging the faithful to band together for lunchtime faith activities, to display symbols and language of faith (Merry Christmas vs Happy Holiday, and "I'm praying for you"), and to use the argument that at least half the workforce identifies as Christian, to get HR policies changed.

      Not much about doing unto others, human dignity of all, or how to be Christ to others. Just some vague guidelines to be "respectful" and "cooperative" while pushing your evangelization agenda.

      The word "unleash" is especially unfortunate. It's what you do when you sic the dogs on someone.

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    2. When I was in the work world, I wasn't aware that we were being prevented from sharing our faith. But I was aware that there were a whole bunch of denominations there; Catholics Lutherans, various stripes of Evangelicals, and some others as well. I didn't want to get pushy about Catholicism, and I didn't want to be getting it back from the Jehovah's Witnesses, among others. If someone asked me a question about faith I was glad to discuss it, but it wasn't the time or place to proselytize. You aren't giving a very good witness if you don't do the work you were hired for. And it was important to do one's work honestly, we had a lot of data to report. There had been a scandal in the 1980s of a supervisor who falsified records on testing of military parts.
      If people want to "unleash the Gospel ( why am I thinking "unleash the Kraken"?) they should do it on their own time. I am actually impressed by the Jehovah's Witnesses and Mormons in town, they do a ton of volunteer work.

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    3. I think these movements are born if some belief that Christians/Catholics are victims of secular persecution. I think that's bunk, especially since UTG makes it clear that half the workforce identifies as Christian.

      I used to say a silent Hail Mary before every class period. But I did not feel it necessary to make the sign of the cross afterward. I was not ashamed of my faith, I just couldn't see parading my piety in front if the students. They didn't need my religious gestures to know I had their best interests at heart. And if they did, I was doing a poor job.

      Conversely, I do not believe Karoline Leavitt is always truthful just because she wears a little gold cross from the press secretary's podium.

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    4. It's worth noting that executive order only applies to federal employees. Personally I'd be happy to lead a prayer group at work, but not actively looking to make it happen.

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    5. And I'd be happy to join yr prayer group, Jim.

      I have worked at organizations that had lunchtime groups--soap watchers, book club, euchre players, prayers, breast pumper support, hacky sack, walkers, knitters, etc.

      The Boy's evangelical English teacher held morning prayer before school for kids, and I know that meant a great deal to a couple kids with difficult families.

      All that is fine by me, and informal interest groups promote better team-building than the Forced Fun at company picnics and Christmas parties.

      But that's not what UTG@Work sounds like it's pushing.

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    6. The wall between church and state has been crumbling since the SC gave the public school football coach a pass on leading the team in prayer on the field, and since they decided that every private business owner serving the general public could discriminate against the civil rights of anyone they didn’t want to serve because of their “religious beliefs”. Although that ruling was just based on a procedural issue, - it hasn’t been fully tested.

      The administration is gutting all enforcement of civil rights protections for racial and religious minorities, as well as for the disabled. Trump has given explicit orders that veterans in wheelchairs should not be visible to cameras at his events and they should not be given any kind of preference or enabling assistance (like wheelchair accommodation) for employment opportunities.

      They are removing all historical exhibits in the museums, the National Parks, government websites, even the National Zoo in DC - that mention some of America’s less glorious history - slavery, genocide of indigenous peoples and the theft of their lands, including educational exhibits that honor history making minorities including women, etc, who achieved “ firsts”. Hegseth is systematically firing women and African Americans who have important military positions. He started with the Joint Chiefs in Feb - firing a woman officer and a black officer - and is continuing to do this at every level of military leadership post.

      Now the bishops want tax money to pay for their faltering network of private schools. That should tell them something about the general health of the RCC in America - they have driven out millions and by adopting the political stances of evangelicals - will continue to drive out more. So now they are trying to get non- Catholics to pay for Catholic schools.,

      The Christian right is going full speed ahead to establish this country as a “ Christian “ country officially. Religious freedom is slowly being killed off, along with freedom of the press, freedom of speech, freedom of assembly, academic freedom. They are working state by state to require a Protestant version of the Ten Commandments be displayed in every public school classroom, and to teach a Protestant version of the Bible. The bishops may realize too late that they are helping to return this country to where it was before they started Catholic parochial schools in the 19th century - because Catholic kids in public schools then were taught Protestant theology. If they get tax money, they will eventually be required to teach whatever the right wing evangelicals want them to teach.

      The RCs in high level government- SC, West Wing, JD, Rubio etc are helping to destroy religious freedom, with the support of the bishops. At some point it will come back to bite them because evangelicals outnumber Catholics and many of them still think that papists are Satan’s agents. They all got into bed together to elect trump. Once they are fully in charge, the Catholics may realize how deeply they have wounded themselves.

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    7. My last word is that Catholicism is a practice, not a tribal identity. I am guessing most of us "released the Gospel" in the workplace by trying to promote human dignity and loving God thru our coworkers and making faith-based decisions if we had hiring and wage decisions to make. We didn't need to festoon our cubicles with rosaries, crucifixes, and holy water fonts to do any of that. Our lives should be the Gospel to others.

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    8. Jean - Our lives should be the Gospel to others.

      Exactly.

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