Friday, May 30, 2025

The Iterations of Catholic Fundamentalism

 Michael Sean Winters has an interesting article on the NCR site today.  Actually it is the second of two articles:  Not merely Latin and lace: New book chronicles iterations of Catholic fundamentalism | National Catholic Reporter

I was unfamiliar with most of the names he mentions, since I don't spend a lot of time hanging around fundamentalist sites.  But the article explains a lot.

"Catholic Fundamentalism in America, the new book by Jesuit Fr. Mark Massa, provides a much-needed framing of developments within the Catholic Church in the United States. "

"...I was completely unfamiliar with the life of theologian Fr. Gommar DePauw, who led the first great protest against the changes to the Mass enacted by the 1962-65 Second Vatican Council.

"...At issue in DePauw's resistance to the new rite was not merely Latin and lace. The issue was authority. If the council fathers at Vatican II had undertaken a reform of the liturgy that was irreformable, then their actions were illegitimate. DePauw questioned the authority of one ecumenical council, Vatican II, to defend the authority of another, Trent. He denounced not just the new Mass but the "damnable Robber Council of Vatican II."

"If the struggles over the traditional Latin Mass were only about language, we would not have the troubles that continue to stalk the church. It is this unwillingness to confess the legitimacy of Vatican II that animates many advocates of the old rite and makes them dangerous."

"Massa's chapter on the Eternal Word Television Network and its foundress, Mother Angelica, touches on more familiar terrain, but he sees the same kind of fundamentalist characteristics at work in that ministry. Massa writes, in a fine passage that highlights his gifts as a writer:

"And like those Protestant "Bible Believers" a century ago, the teaching "passed on" was both a-historical and committed to an older paradigm of Catholicism in which "faith" was both propositional and unnuanced. The Catechism could only be interpreted in one way (just like the Bible for Protestant fundamentalists). 'Doctrine' — in reality, a multi-valent term in Catholic theology — was presented as both objective (like gravity) and perspicacious (i.e., self-evidently clear). "

"Again, the problem is, for these fundamentalists, ultimately ecclesiological: "Mother Angelica and her soldiers at EWTN seem to have missed the central ecclesiological component of Catholic identity: communio ... the belief that the faithful were 'in communion' – with the Bishop of Rome, with their own bishop (the only authorized teacher in a Catholic diocese) and with each other." The essence of the Reformation faiths was that this communion was less important than the individual witness of the Christian to truths he or she perceived, but the irony was lost on Mother Angelica and her acolytes that their ecclesiology was more akin to Luther's than to that of the Council of Trent."

"Massa introduces his chapter on the community in St. Marys, Kansas, home to an outpost of the schismatic Society of St. Pius X, with a reference to conservative writer Rod Dreher's 2017 book The Benedict Option. Massa makes the important point that "St. Benedict had never intended his call for monastic retreat from the world to be seen as a model for all Christian believers."

"...Subsequent chapters examine Christendom College, the Church Militant media empire, and Eric Sammons, the current editor of Crisis magazine. In each case, Massa provides sufficient information about, and evidence against, the groups he examines to sustain the charge that they are Catholic fundamentalists. In each case, the fundamentalism is seen to highlight the degree to which these arch-Catholics have lost sight of foundational Catholic ecclesiology and practice."

"Perhaps most importantly, Massa has shown why these fundamentalist characteristics so often end up producing people who are very angry at the world, very severe in their judgments, adopting, even relishing, the role of the fool in the parable who tries to remove the speck from his brother's eye while ignoring the plank in his own."

"...Massa divides the groups he surveys by using the taxonomy devised by H. Richard Niebuhr in his classic work Christ and Culture. DePauw, Mother Angelica's EWTN, and the community in St. Marys, Kansas, epitomize the "Christ against culture" model while Christendom College, Church Militant and Sammons are placed in the category "Christ the Transformer of Culture." 

"...Many of us grew up learning that the "heroes" of the Catholic story in the U.S. were the Americanizers like Cardinal James Gibbons, Archbishop John Ireland, Bishop Denis O'Connell and, later, Cardinal George Mundelein, all of whom argued for Catholics to embrace the ambient culture. The "villains" were those who resisted such assimilation, men like Cardinal William Henry O'Connell, Archbishop Michael Corrigan and Archbishop Frederick Katzer. Indeed, this narrative argued that Gibbons and his cohort were vindicated at Vatican II with its embrace of religious liberty and interreligious dialogue."

"The truth is more complicated. Assimilation, like all major cultural changes, involves loss as well as gain. "

47 comments:

  1. Interesting.

    Within the medieval Church there was always tension around fundamentalism. The continental universities were breeding grounds for doctrinal factions and controversies. One of the charges leveled against friars was that they were itinerant who could wander around spreading ideas that upset the authority and control of local bishops and their friends in the civil authority.

    The bit you quoted focuses strictly on Catholic figures. My guess is that Catholic fundamentalism in the US is heavily flavored by its proximity to Protestant fundamentalism that embraces the prosperity gospel, creationism, male authority within the family, salvation by faith alone, etc.

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    1. I think you are right that there is a lot of cross pollination by Protestant fundamentalism into right wing Catholicism.

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  2. On a personal note, I got the pathology results from my surgery yesterday. There was no spread of the cancer, and the cell type and stage were the lowest possible. So I am very happy and thankful. It doesn't look like I'll have to do further treatment, but will have to have periodic check-ups.
    It wasn't nearly as bad as I had feared, The surgery was robot assisted laparoscopic. I had an oxycodone prescription but never had to use it.
    Contrast that with my mom's hysterectomy in 1971. She was in the hospital for a week, and said she felt like she had been run over by a Mack truck.

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    1. Glad to hear the good news! So many surgical options now available and better techniques.

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    2. I'm very glad that I live now and not years ago when surgery was much more risky and painful. I feel like the last thing we should be doing is knee-capping medical research for political reasons.

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    3. Would also be nice if the fruits of that research were available to more people, but I'll spare everyone that rant. I'm so glad you got good care and the best possible prognosis.

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    4. I want everyone to have access to the best standard of care for their situation!
      Part of what I had was a very kind and competent hospital staff. That's not rocket science but is so much appreciated.

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    5. The care I got with biopsies and out-patient procedures had been outstanding. Yes, it makes a diff.

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    6. Great news, Katherine. Now don’t get overly excited and start doing too much!!

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    7. Anne, LOL, it's easy for me to be lazy!

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    8. Here's a funny to cheer you up. Jimmy Kimmel is doing conspiracy theory parodies: https://youtu.be/VWxtX6DWZ48?si=8J1R14Pn7n57mGNO

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    10. Katherine,

      Betty and I are glad that things are going well for you.

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    11. Thanks Jack. I'm praying for Betty, I know this is a really difficult time

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    12. Yesterday, a package arrived from Montana with some of Betty's daughter's things, including her recent medical reports. Betty knows how to read them.

      She had at least third if not fourth stage breast cancer. It had broken out and spread beyond her breasts, so an operation was no longer possible. Her daughter had had chemotherapy for another form of cancer when she was in high school. She said she would never do chemotherapy again.

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    13. Katherine, thanks for the update. I'm glad the surgery was successful and that the diagnosis wasn't scarier. Jack, so sad about Betty's daughter. So sorry.

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  3. Regarding the article on Catholic fundamentlists: I like the communio framework. The church is the biggest tent in the world, and there is room for lots of spiritualities, both 'liberal' and 'conservative'. Communion has to be worked at, by all parties. I guess the article looks at communio through the lens of how much of the "American experiment" the church should accommodate (and perhaps vice-versa). That's certainly something I've been contemplating recently.

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    1. Jim, serious question: Do you think "the big tent" metaphor still works? I bought that idea of Catholicism, but I found myself boxed in by rules and regulations that promoted scrupulosity rather than "love God and your neighbor." I felt I was just too awful for God to tolerate. I tried to continue going to Mass, but as my family situation going thru crisis after crisis and I was dealing with cancer, I couldn't take the weekly reminder that I was a crud and a hypocrite. So I left. In America, it seems to me that Christianity generally is becoming so entwined with conservative politics that it is becoming repellent to many who might be inclined to lend an ear and sign on. Not a lot of love and mercy in that tent, istm.

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    2. Jean - I do believe the big tent metaphor - and I also believe that all of us have to work at it. Ideally, the big tent would be realized, not only on a worldwide or national level, but within dioceses and even within faith communities. I hope you don't mind my saying this, but - I don't think your local parish is succeeding in being a big tent. I don't blame you; I point the finger at the parish.

      I don't think your parish is an outlier. I see similar dynamics in parishes around here. I believe there are social forces that are pulling us apart into like-minded bubbles. In my view, parishes should resist this rather than lean into it, and try to be a place of peace for all. But not everyone has my point of view on this.

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    3. Thanks. I see the Big Tent as a good aspiration, but too many people want to hide out in the tent from Those People. I asked an evangelical friend how he squared his church's kicking out sinners with Jesus who are with the publicans and tax collectors. He said Jesus could do that because he was not tempted by sinners, but the rest of us need to keep our distance. I think this is becoming a widespread pov.

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    4. I hope I'm not being a Pollyanna, but it seems like our parish succeeds somewhat in being a big tent. Mainly there is this unspoken agreement that we don't talk about politics in church. There are times when it slips, mostly when there's any kind of ballot initiative dealing with abortion. Hopefully we are done with that for another year or so at least. We don't care if people receive Communion on the tongue, or in their hand. We don't care if they have tattoos and piercings. We dont care if the guys have long hair or man buns or the girls have weird colored hair.
      Homilies aren't always the greatest, and music isn't always the greatest. But we do our best. And try to keep the divisive stuff outside.

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    5. Do you care if they are unwed mothers, gay or trans, addicts, drunks, compulsive gamblers, crazy, divorcees, homeless, broke, etc.? It's when the "divisive stuff" comes inside and sits in your pews where forbearance and mercy are tested.

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    6. You can't tell by looking at someone if they are most of those things. Unwed mothers wouldn't be a problem, neither would divorced people. If someone came in obviously drunk or stoned that would be a problem. We have had our share of people with mental issues. If they come in and sit down and be quiet, no problem. If someone comes up for Communion and acts like they have no clue what they are doing, and they are in the priest's line, he would probably not give them the host, and ask to see them after Mass. Otherwise if they act reverent and like they know what to do, it's the honor system, no one knows the state of their soul..

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    7. I should add that we are a "cluster" of three parishes. There are 3 to 5 priests, counting the retired guys that help out. The parish lines are pretty fluid, not everybody knows everybody, there are probably at least 3000 people. If you want to stay anonymous, it's pretty easy.

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    8. I guess my question is whether any of those people I mentioned could sit in your church and feel God's love thru yr congregation. Or whether they would hear themselves referred to among parishioners or in homilies in "not us" terms.

      Hence my questioning just whether that Catholic Big Tent metaphor really works.

      Jim says we all need to work at it. Not me. I'm done twisting myself in knots to pass muster with the local bunch. But I do believe that Jesus isn't just for the good people.

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    9. Katherine, since you are part of a combined parish with 3000 people spread through three separate physical locations, it’s likely that most people in the pews are strangers to one another. It in some parishes people know if a divorced and remarried person got an annulment and have fits if they go to communion. If two men come to church together as a couple, would they be denied communion?

      My first Catholic parish here had 4000:registered families at its peak. Now less than half that. So it is easy to be anonymous in the crowd but that also means there is little sense of community except for the in- crowd like deacons, choir, ushers and a handful of other volunteers .

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    10. People do consider themselves members of St. Anthony, St. Bonaventure, and St Stanislaus parishes, but they sometimes go to Mass in the other locations. If you pick a spot and volunteer, you don't stay anonymous. I don't know the details of other peoples lives unless they tell me. But it's surprising how often they do. I know how to keep still about it though.

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    11. In general people who go to church are happier, healthier, and more likely to volunteer both at church and in the community.

      In his book American Grace, Robert Putnam found that these effects were true only of people who also had religious support networks consisting of families, friends, and people who meet in small groups. Going to church alone like bowling alone (his other famous book) is not very beneficial.

      In other words, believing in loving your neighbor isn't beneficial unless you actually engage with others in doing it.

      Having a religious support group does not necessarily mean that you go to church at the same time and places with those members. Family members for example may go to different parishes, congregations, and even have different beliefs. The important thing is that it is a religious support group not just a social group.

      However, having a religious support group whose members do not engage in public worship does not seem to confer the benefits of happiness, health and doing good for others.

      Therefore, you seem to need both small personal religious networks and also be connected to larger worshiping networks to get the benefits of religion.

      Developing a religious support network is not easy, it takes time and effort. That is why family members and long term friends are so important. It is not easy to acquire new members just by joining a parish ministry group. It may take you a year or two to acquire a new member of your religious support group that way.

      I don't think that just recognizing people is that important. So while a small parish might seem to be a better community because you recognized more people, a large parish may give you an opportunity to develop stronger relationships with a group of people who share your interests.

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    12. There are a number of visual images of the church/parish: pyramid, inverted pyramid, concentric circles.

      Mine is the wagon-wheel. the pastoral staff is the hub, the various ministries and church groups are the spokes, the rest of the congregation are the rim.

      From the perspective of the pastoral staff looking out on the wheel it looks like a community. However, the members of various groups and ministries experience only their own spoke, a few members of pastoral staff. and a few members of the congregation.

      The rim sees only the hub at the center of everything; they don't experience the spokes nor the rest of the rim.

      Father Joseph Fichter, S.J. first studied the sociology of the parish. He quickly realized it was not a community, like the family or like small villages where everyone knows everyone in all their diversity, e.g. you know the baker and his whole family.

      Parishes market themselves as communities and families as refuges from the rest of our commercial/bureaucratic society but in reality, they are a part of that society specializing in religion.

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    13. Is the support really better in a parish where you don’t know others? Putnam gave the example of bowling leagues providing support if I’m not mistaken. Just as good as a church as long as it includes a small community supporting one another.

      Finding small spirituality support groups is hard, especially for those who aren’t drawn by traditional piety. A dozen women stayed after the daily mass that I often attended years ago to pray the rosary out loud. A dozen out of a parish with 4000 families. I sometimes went to daily mass but quickly realized that the silence I needed to pray - CP - wasn’t available then. Once the rosary was finished they chatted for another 30 minutes. No quiet then either so I stopped hanging around after mass for private prayer. They had a small spiritual support group, but it wasn’t a spirituality that attracts me.

      Very few parishes offer the Hours. Very few offer Centering Prayer or Lectio. They all have a Sodality so that there is volunteer labor to set up and decorate the church. Choirs, ushers but little else. The parishes around here that we attended for years seem to have dropped many activities, including adult Ed, since Covid. They are hung up on Barron’s stuff. Or Catholic versions of fundamentalist courses like Alpha. If I could go downtown at night to the Jesuit parish at Georgetown I could find a CP group, a Lectio group, and several Ignatian spirituality offerings etc, but I can’t do that. I can’t leave my husband alone at night to go into DC. I have no interest in Alpha, or Barron or Jeff Cavin’s Bible study courses ( another evangelical who likes the smells and bells). So much of Catholicism these days seems like evangelical denominations, dressed up with liturgy. . I don’t like Barron at all, but at least he doesn’t seem to be cloning fundamentalist Protestantism. He comes across as possessing some of the intellectual depth and breadth of Catholicism but has abandoned “the big tent” in favor of a narrow 1950s expression of Catholicism. Unfortunately most of the suburban parishes seem to have done the same.

      Since parishes may be a lot like commercial/bureaucratic organizations with religion as the consumer product, is it really surprising that so many drop out? If there is no real sense of community it’s easier to retreat to a home church, as you have done, Jack.

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    14. We have a women's sodality in our parish. I don't go to the meetings, but I am glad to bring food if they need a dessert for a funeral or fish fry. My point of social connection is probably the choir I have belonged to for about 25 years.
      Perpetual adoration is something that binds our parish together. It goes on 24/7 except during weekend Mass times. We have kept most of the hours filled since 1998 when it started. Both of us have been members since that time Anyone can do it, you don't have to be in good standing or even a member of St. Anthony's. You don't even have to be Catholic, though most who take part are. In order to make the numbers work, well over 200 people have to be signed up.
      People like to dish on the K of C, but I am pretty impressed with some of the Knights here. They seem to have a fraternal bond. The week before Easter, one of their members (who also was a choir member) was on his deathbed from cancer. Someone organized a public rosary in his yard one evening and 80 people were there.Two knights sat up with him during the night so his wife could get some sleep. He was by that time in and out of consciousness and passed away the Wednesday before Easter.
      If people can't always find a connection in a parish, that's an individual thing, everyone is different. But one shouldn't assume that it's just a business with religion as the product they're selling.

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    15. I knew I was persona non grata in the local parish when they quit calling me for funeral food and stopped sending me the parish birthday card. Raber still gets his.

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    16. Parish birthday card? Good heavens. Our two RC parishes couldn’t have afforded to do that with 4000 families in the first parish and 2500 families in the second. I don’t think Sodality handled funeral stuff at either parish. The second parish has a specific ministry for that if someone wants it at the church following the mass. I don’t think the first parish has anything other than the funeral mass - no cookies and coffee after. It’s up to the families to arrange that if they want it but not on the parish grounds I don’t think. At home, or a restaurant. My mother’s post funeral mass gathering was at a restaurant. There was no gathering after the funeral mass except immediate family lunch at a restaurant when my brother died. My sister who died after Thanksgiving in 2023 was agnostic and there was no religious ceremony or burial. There was a big fancy memorial dinner three months later at their former country club. About 100 invited guests and a lot of photos and a few speeches/ eulogies. None of the Catholic funerals I’ve gone to had any post liturgy gatherings at the church. I’ve only seen that at Protestant funerals.

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    17. Somehow adoration volunteering seems not- conducive to being a social support to me.

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    18. Well since some of the same people doing adoration and volunteering are a social support system of sorts the two are not totally disconnected.
      Our parishes do a luncheon for all funerals if the family wants it, at no cost to them unless they choose to do a donation. Pre Covid it was scalloped potatoes and ham, with donated salads and desserts. Now we still do the salads and desserts, but have catered croissant sandwiches for the main course. The older ladies who cooked the ham and scallop potatoes aren't active anymore.

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    19. Yummm, scalloped potatoes! Last time I had Midwest funeral hot dish and sheetcakes was in 1993 after Gramma died. Methodist ladies set everything up at her house and kept collecting dishes to wash for the hordes of people who turned up. I asked if they wanted me to go get paper plates. "Edith Foster was not a paper-plates-at-a-funeral person!" They also made sure people got their right dishes back and labeled leftovers for the freezer.

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    20. The Methodists do a lot of good things.Their humanitarian aid programs are also amazing. There is a an historic Methodist church about a Mile down the road from us. Maybe I should check them out.

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    21. If you want to get anything done right, you get a nun or a Methodist lady on it.

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    22. Katherine - “ Well since some of the same people doing adoration and volunteering are a social support system of sorts the two are not totally disconnected”. I’m not surprised that it’s the same or overlapping groups. Those in one of those overlapping groups - a relatively small percentage of the parish I’m guessing - would not understand the view from the rim that’s Jack mentions.

      I haven’t heard of any Catholic parish in recent years ( personal knowledge or third- hand in online stories or comments) that have ever tried to start programs that aren’t the same as those going back years, or decades, or centuries, except for Word on Fire and Jeff Cavin Bible studies. They’ve gone very EWTN too. I don’t feel comfortable with the current Catholic parish culture in either of our two former parishes. Georgetown is too far for me to go these days (evenings really). They also ignore many traditional spiritual and prayer possibilities like the Office. An EC parish near us had volunteers who would lead the Morning and Evening prayers, and sometimes they were alone. But sometimes parishioners would join them. I went a few times too. A friend of mine at that parish was one of the volunteers. But Jack can’t get any parish near him to start this practice even though he has volunteered to start it and lead it himself. Parishes might select a few possibilities like the Office, Centering Prayer, or Lectio, or Ignatian programs, provide written information about them and promote them from the pulpit, followed by introductory sessions and then see if there might be a few that would be interested. I think somewhere between 5-10 would be enough to carry the group. My CP groups never had more than 10 or so regulars, but we met weekly for years. The rosary after daily mass group had about 10-12 regulars. If its more than social support like fish fries that is needed, but also spiritual support, then maybe there needs to be more offerings. I would go to a program (especially with Jean leading) about the lives of some of the less well- known - and quirky- saints. I would go to a joint scripture group of Catholic and Jewish congregations (a Lutheran church in my community used to have one pre- Covid. I don’t know if they restarted it). Or a joint study between Catholic and Protestant churches. Another EC parish here did a joint program during Lent with five churches all on the same two mile stretch of road, explaining their own interpretations of the death and resurrection of Jesus, and Lenten traditions ( if any). These were pot- luck soup dinners with the pastors of each church speaking during dessert.

      There are far more opportunities for brief participation in a charitable ministry ( Thanksgiving food baskets, Christmas toy collections, back to school backpacks etc); than options for spiritual community. But if pastor ps are so short- sighted or such control freaks that they turn down a willing volunteer like Jack it seems that finding a spiritual support group in an RCC parish will continue to be difficult.

      Jean is right - Recruit a local nun, or even borrow a Methodist lady, to get things started! ;)

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  4. Conversation has now exceeded my ability to really follow the nuances that the rest of you are plugged into. Good reminder for me to stay outta your Church-related topics!

    Off topic: For anyone else getting a blast of the Canadian wildfire smoke, airnow.gov is a very helpful site to help you gauge safety of outdoor activities. It has been bad in this part of Michigan.

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    1. Thanks for the link to airnow.gov, I didn't know about it. We've been having hazy air from the fires too.

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    2. I was afraid Airnow would be dismantled by DOGE. Fortunately, Michigan's state Department of Environmental Quality is still tracking this info.

      Very hazy here today, but no red warning like over the weekend. That may change if it gets muggy. A good rain Wednesday might help wash some particulates out of the atmosphere.

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    3. Sorry you’re getting that smoke in the middle of the country. I remember getting it here in PA two years ago. I have some air filters and a fan to rig up and try to filter the air in my house if it happens again. Again, sorry you’re getting those awful air problems. Glad to know the Cultural Revolution didn’t get AirNow.

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    4. My niece in Minneapolis is an engineer and rigged up N-95 masks in her car to boost her aging car's AC filtration. She loves a DIY challenge. One Christmas, when she was a bored teenager learning computer programming, I gave her a sock knitting pattern and asked her to write a computer program where you could enter your foot measurements, yarn type, and needles, and it would spit out a custom pattern.

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    5. That's pretty amazing that she could write a program for knitting patterns!

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    6. She said it wasn't that hard. All knitting is based on ratios, so the math was pretty straightforward. Even I can do that with my 9th grade algebra skills and the magic of cross multiplication. She went on to design data systems for a big national chain. I tell her she should thank me for getting her started with that sock thing. Alas, she thinks that within 5 years, AI will be able to design and build these systems.

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