Tuesday, March 11, 2025

Big Farms Breed Big Flu:

Dennis Kucinich is a maverick Democratic politician from Cleveland. He has served as major, representative, and has run for president.  He writes the Kucinich report with his wife. 

Big Farms Breed Big Flu: End the Cage Age for a Healthier, Affordable Path to Food Security

The industry’s reliance on mass culling, vaccines and “biosecurity measures” fails to address the root cause of so many food safety and food security crises: an unnatural, high-stress, squalid system.

34 comments:

  1. What do you think? They appear to be adopting a centrist maverick position. Trying to talk to both sides.

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  2. USDA head Brooke Rollins is a moron. She's urging people to go get some chickens and "grow" their own eggs. So, in the middle of a bird flu epidemic, when Michigan State U and DNR are telling people to keep their cats in because they're eating sick birds and passing disease to people, Rollins wants a bunch of neophyte "farmers" with no f$@#ing clue how to raise healthy chickens out there "growing eggs."

    Sure thing! Come to my house and behold the incessant rooster noise, hens in the road, chickens with cut-off heads hanging from trees, and smells from poorly kept flocks.

    Meantime, cuts to ag extension programs that assist "hobby" farmers like my neighbors with info are going buh-bye thanks to DOGE.

    Cutting the government to a nub and running what's left with bots is where we're going in the next 4 years. Yay, won't it be wonderful?

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  3. Yeah it would be better if I were a vegan. But I'm not. I've got other things to think about. Such as our president appointing morons with a brain worm to head HHS.
    I would support more humane conditions for chickens. They're already not supposed to give them antibiotics. I am reading that there is a vaccine for avian flu for birds.In some countries they're giving it to flocks. I don't know if that's legal here. Seems like it would be better than mass euthanizing whole flocks.
    Not all animals raised for agriculture are factory raised. Most of the beef cattle here are grass fed for most of their lives. Our cattle back home were pasture grazed, and fed hay in the winter months. They were sold to feeders to be grain fed for a few months at the end.
    Don't get me started on the "raw milk" enthusiasts. That is not safe, and anyone who ever milked a cow should know why.

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  4. Industrial animal farming is cruel. When I learned about the reality of our industrial farming system, I began to spend a lot more money on animal products. I had long bought organic fruit and produce. After learning about the cruel methods of @nimak farming in the US I not only bought organic as much as I could, t sought out free range (not just cage free) chicken and eggs. I bought grass finished beef - not just free range beef finished in crowded industrial feed lots. This extended to dairy (cows suffer from the hormones used to increase milk production) etc. Fortunately we can afford this, although I certainly started buying far fewer animal products than previously. I do t buy farmed fish, only wild caught.

    If I weren’t cooking for my husband I would be a vegetarian.

    There is a very interesting documentary about regenerative farming that I recommend. It’s called The Biggest Little Farm.

    https://www.amazon.com/Biggest-Little-Farm-John-Chester/dp/B07R4CFF3M

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    1. Typo - I do not buy farmed fish. ..

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    2. My son and his wife raise chickens for eggs ( no rooster); in their yard in Boulder. A friend here had three chickens in her suburban neighborhood.. one of our nieces also raised chickens for eggs. Our son and his wife spend two months each summer in Europe, with her family, renting out their house ( which is walking distance of the university). I wondered if the renters were willing to care for the chickens - he told me the renters love having the chickens. It’s a feature that attracts them.

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    3. I have photos circa 1950 of my relatives building a chicken coop. My mother’s parents were Polish farmers so I guess they had some experience. Personally, I try to eat vegan and vegetarian. More for the efficiency and carbon footprint than anything else but torturing animals bothers me. I’m not a hunter but I’d have less qualms about eating hunted meat. The animal has a normal life and then POW! It doesn’t have to be tortured for profit.

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    4. Our neighbors down the street have some pet hens. I don't know if they lay eggs or not. It's against city ordinance to have roosters in town. They are noisy, and some people here come from cultures where cock fighting is a sport. Which is also illegal. Occasionally there will be a cop "bust" of a cock fighting ring, though that hasn't happened for a long time.
      It is funny, my parents said they had a "prenup" agreement that they wouldn't raise chickens. Both sets of grandparents did, and chicken chores were a kid duty. My parents hated cleaning the chicken house, so they didn't keep chickens.(I'm glad they didn't, because I'm sure I would have had to take a turn at chicken duty!) They weren't dairy farmers, so they only kept one milk cow for the family and the hired man's family. Mom always strained and pasteurized the milk. The pasteurizer was an appliance that looked kind of like a crock pot. The process was that you heated the milk to 140° F for 30 minutes, then cooled it quickly. Nowadays there are high tech flash pasteurizers which of course are expensive. Later on my family didn't keep milk cows, and bought milk from the store. If you had to milk cows twice a day it pretty much tied you down and you couldn't go anywhere. The milk from the store tasted better too. Especially if the cow had been grazing weeds in the pasture.
      Organic farming sounds nice, but I don't think using it exclusively could keep up with food needs of as many people as there are. I don't have anything against prudent use of fertilizer and pesticides. Not to say we can't make animal agriculture more humane.

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  5. Raber uses our $25 food stamp allotment at the local grocery store, where seniors get a 10 percent discount in the meat dept every second Friday. That has to last all month, so we aren't eating much meat. Mostly goes in hot dish and soup where it stretches further.

    I have written many letters to the owners of the intensive dairy operation and our legislators about cruelties in intensive livestock operations. Does no good.

    We get eggs from a local guy for $3.50.

    I traded my rifle to the neighbor in exchange for an occasional cut of his game harvest. Agree with Stanley that hunting is least cruel, plus the deer population here is out of control and needs to be severely culled. I'd take up fishing, but there are warnings on how much fish you can eat out of the lakes and rivers here. Don't need to add lead and mercury poisoning to our health woes.

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    1. $3.50 for eggs. Stock up! The store brand cage- free are almost $10 - and they are sold out. But I don’t use many eggs anymore so I don’t worry much about it. I shop mostly on line and pick up. I didn’t look to see what the free range eggs cost.

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  6. I almost never think about these issues when I am grocery shopping. I think the activity of grocery shopping blinds us to the realities of food production. It focuses us solely on product and price.

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    1. Jim, you're right about grocery shopping. Even though I do know where the food comes from, I shift to meal planning and price when I'm grocery shopping. I actually kind of like to grocery shop. My husband kids me about being a hunter/ gatherer (as if!)

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  7. USDA program that reimbuses Michigan farmers who donate to food banks is going belly up. Back to the high fat, high sodium Chef Boy-Ar-Dee, mac-and-cheese in a box, and ramen, you shiftless peasants!

    https://www.bridgemi.com/michigan-government/michigan-food-banks-hit-trump-funding-freeze-local-farmers

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    1. That's sad and infuriating. Sounds like something DOGE thought of.

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    2. If what Jean is reporting is the same item I saw in today's local newspaper, this is a nationwide development. The program apparently began during the COVID era to bridge nutrition gaps for children and families who could no longer receive meals when the schools shut down.

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    3. That's an odd characterization of the program, Jim. It was designed to promote better nutrition to food banks, as I understand it, and to offer some compensation to farmers who participated in the program. It was funded thru this year and, in the normal course of things, could be reassessed with a cost-benefit analysis. Fine.

      But, according to the Bridge Michigan story, funding was paused by Trump admin for scrutiny to ensure it was not pushing "Marxist social engineering" or some type of gender equality. So Good Christian TrumPublicans aren't interested in any cost-benefit analysis. They just wanna make sure it's ideologically pure.

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    4. Good Christian TrumPublicans are so focused on rooting out programs that help poor black and brown children of God - and DEI everywhere - they are more than willing to sacrifice the poor, including those served in USAID funded humanitarian projects. As predicted,, poor black and brown people in sh**hole countries are already dying because “ Christian” Americans in the richest country in the world don’t want “ their” money used to help the “ least of these”. Not just in the sh**hole countries but in the US also, since 75% of the funding of Catholic Charities was from now cancelled government grants. But maybe the bishops and good Catholics don’t really care because most recipients of Catholic Charity services also have brown or black skin. They are probably hoping that they can now get their greedy hands on taxpayer money to support their rapidly disappearing parochial schools . Schools that Catholics are no longer willing to support anymore. So make the Protestants and Jews and Hindus and agnostics and atheists support them instead. And let the global poor die.

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    5. As we get deeper into the Trump administration, I am feeling we need to be less concerned with specific programs (much as I support some of them) than the reasons and methods government is being dismantled, the way executive powers are being expanded. Somewhere along the line, conservative Christians have got it in their heads that the purpose of government is to preserve some sort of American Christian way of life as outlined by their various religious leaders. But Americans quit trying to impose a Protestant theocracy as Puritanism faded out. By the time the Constitution was written, the foundation of the country was not ethnic or religious identity, but adherence to certain legal rights and responsibilities, and equal treatment under the law. You can be a stingy conservative with contempt for the poor and personal prejudices about certain minorities and still hew to the basic principles in the Constitution. You can argue that you don't want tax rebates going to people who contribute to food banks. But you cannot summarily get rid of programs because they are DEI.

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  8. Jack says that Betty has developed some excellent vegan recipes . Jack, would she be willing to let younshare them with us and with some general tips ? I would expect ialluy like to o ow if any of the non- dairy cheeses taste any good and if they are easy to cook with.

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    1. Yes, Betty now uses non-dairy cheeses because she is on a low histamine diet, and she cooks with them. She uses a lot of goat cheese which I like, and drinks goat milk.

      Right now, she is being treated by physical therapy for very painful tendonitis. She has her good days and her bad days. Hopefully she will have another PT session tomorrow, we are awaiting approval by insurance. Right now, she has had a stretch of bad days, hope that will improve soon.

      I can get all the information about the cheeses fairly soon. The recipes will probably have to wait a little longer. I will talk to her about putting them up on my Weal site.

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    2. Thanks. I will pray for her. Pain is no fun. I laughed when reading my post. My iPad keyboard is wonky, and frequently skips letters. If I don’t reread right away and correct they look like nonsense.,

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    3. I will pray for Betty! I have had tendonitis and it is not fun.
      My oldest boy had a milk allergy for awhile (he later grew out of it). Of course he loved pizza, like most kids. So I had to figure out a non-dairy version. I found a soy based mozzarella, it was a pretty good facsimile of the real thing.
      Yeah, autocorrect often does me no favors. I have to remember to proof read what I type on my tablet or phone.

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    4. One of the best Philly cheesesteaks I ever ate had no cheese or meat in it. If you’re ever in the Reading Terminal Market in Philadelphia, try one (if they’re still in business). However, I wonder how much processing is involved. I ate impossible burgers for a while but something would bother my gut. I think it might have been the juicy blood substitute.

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    5. LOL, I couldn't have called the soy mozzarella lightly processed. In fact it was the cheap generic substitute of the dairy version. Had the same protein content though.

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    6. So sorry about the low-histamine diet. The cancer I have is in the myeloproliferative neoplasm family, and it causes overproduction of histamines. Oncologists are terrible at helping people with the histamine angle. Your 15-minute appt is all about checking to see that chemo keeps your blood counts within acceptable parameters without killing your liver and kidneys. They really don't care about anything else. Food that's canned, aged, or involves yeast can be a problem, but it's highly individual and hard to get a handle on. One brand of yogurt might be ok, another might set you off. Then there are environmental things. It's just easier for most of us to get a really effective air filter, take the Claratin, and keep the Benadryl caps and hydrocortisone cream handy.

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    7. A Philly cheese steak sammich with no meat or cheese sounds like quite a study in paradox! For my birthday I had a really good grilled veg sandwich--sweet peppers, mushrooms, onion, etc. rolled up on some type of flat bread with tangy yogurt sauce. Messy, tho. Had to eat it with a fork.

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    8. Jean, you are making me hungry

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    9. Mark Bittman's VB6 idea is a good resource for anybody who wants to become vegan-adjacent but isn't ready to convert. He has a book about it.

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    10. "Oncologists are terrible at helping people with the histamine angle."

      Betty had help from a dietician who had done her homework because the referral came from Betty's primary physician with specific instructions of what was needed.

      We had already had considerable help from on-line resources. There are all sorts of guides out there. Betty just when through them picking the items they seemed to agree upon.

      The strategy is to get as much histamine out of your system, then you can experiment with bringing some of the borderline items back into your diet. Betty was very happy with her vegetarian diet which had a lot of room for creativity but finds the low histamine diet boring.

      I am impacted indirectly. When Betty does a rice based, or potato- based meal, or pasta meal I will usually eat what she eats (low histamine). We have meals together of Tuesday, Friday and Sunday nights. On the other nights I will combine the base with my own ingredients which may be meat or vegetables that I can eat by she cannot.

      She does not have any desire to eat meat however if she made a meal like vegetarian lasagna she would want to eat it. This has impacted our gardening since we only need about half the tomatoes since only I can eat things made from them.

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    11. A lot of research is being done with myeloproliferative neoplasms to see if the low-inflammatory diet helps with side effects like headaches and fatigue. The anti-inflammatory diet has things that clash with the low-histamine diet that most of us have adapted in some way.

      Anecdotal evidence in the support group (it's run thru Mayo, and volunteers refer us to their dietary info) indicates that curtailing starches and sugar as much as possible, and drinking at least 64 oz of water has the biggest payoff. Many of us also have spleen enlargement, so eating large amounts of "bulky" food like starches and legumes, can lead to abdominal pain or vomiting, but cooking methods and how tight you wear your pants are (not kidding) make a diff.

      A lot of patients try to make big dietary changes right after diagnosis. This puts them under a lot of stress.
      They're already freaked out about cancer, telling their spouses they have to use condoms forever to prevent transmitting chemo thru bodily fluids, and now they feel they have to eat all new food.

      I did the opposite, curbed one or two things at a time over long periods once I got used to the chemo, and, for me, that worked pretty well. But as the disease progresses, you have to keep adjusting things.

      Fortunately, as cancers go, this one is manageable as long as you die of something else before the meds quit working.

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  9. By the way, I like Kucinich. He’s managed to stay true to principle in spite of being affiliated with the Democratic Party, whose job in the system is to blunt and block any real change. The recent treatment of AOC by Her Grande Maleficence Pelosi showed what fate politicians who even hint at reform can expect. I just became a supporting member of Workers Strike Back. General strikes are the only way to bring the politicians to heel. And billionairism needs to be abolished. Such individual power destroys democracy. Musk is showing us that they are too dangerous to exist, one way or the other. They are enemy. They are another form of nobility and “nobility” has always been a euphemism for “gangsters”. There’s an anti-Trump demonstration in Court Square in Stroudsburg tomorrow. I plan to be there. But anti-Trump isn’t enough.

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    1. The Boy promises to get me an amigo and a bull horn for the next rally in Lansing. Meantime, I turned the clock back 50 years, canceled Netflix and Apple+, and sent the subscription money become a card carryin' member of the American Democratic Socialist Party. To hell with moderation. I wanna see Trump locked up in Gitmo and Musk and that brat of his sent packing to South Africa.

      Meantime, celebrate May Day early with the song stylings of Tony Babino! https://youtu.be/3JmFa2Q40lg?si=8oF-dzqfy1eafV3B

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    2. That song keeps sounding better and better. The biggest cause of communism is capitalists. The billionaires are doing a lot of causing right now. Musk is drunk with power and exposing the game. This is what autocracy looks like.

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    3. Yep. As far as I'm concerned socialist democracies whapping retaliatory measures on the US are doing us a favor because it will discredit idiot trade war faster and start costing the MAGAs money.

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