Tuesday, November 5, 2024

Voting Results Processing Guide

 Adapted from NYT

Georgia counts fast (but watch the vote margin). 7PM 

Most Georgia voters tend to vote early in person, and vote reporting is usually relatively fast. The share of ballots cast by mail, which can often take longer to count, is expected to be small. The mail voting rate returned to the state’s usual level of around 6 percent in 2022 after growing to about 25 percent in 2020. 

The state could still be counting corrected mail ballots, overseas ballots and provisional ballots in the days after the election.

 North Carolina counts fast (with new rules). 7:30Pm

 Early, in-person voting is very popular, and votes are typically counted very quickly, with 98 to 99 percent of votes reported by midnight Eastern time in the last two major elections. New rules mean that early voting results will no longer be reported immediately at poll close time, but mail ballots are now due on Election Day (in 2020, ballots postmarked by Election Day had nine days to arrive).

 Pennsylvania is likely to take longer than election night. 8PM

 It takes longer to count votes in Pennsylvania, primarily because election workers are not allowed to start processing mail ballots until Election Day. Still, vote counting sped up significantly from 2020 to 2022, in part because of new, faster equipment and a requirement that most counties continue counting mail ballots without stopping after polls close, including through the night.

 Democrats have been much more likely to vote by mail. In the 2020 presidential race, after an initial batch of heavily Democratic votes, the reported tally favored Mr. Trump until more mail ballots were counted, and Mr. Biden’s margins increased.

 Michigan could be faster than in the past.  8-9 PM

 In the past two general elections, about half of the votes in Michigan were counted by midnight Eastern time, and the bulk of remaining votes were counted by noon the next day. But the state has passed major reforms that could speed things up: It newly implemented nine days of early in-person voting, and it now allows counties to begin processing mail ballots before Election Day (though not all places plan to take advantage of the new rule).

 Mail ballots — which have been more likely to be cast by Democrats — came in slowly over time in 2020. This contributed to a "red mirage" showing Mr. Trump ahead in the reported tally before all mail ballots had been counted. That pattern did not hold in the 2022 election for governor, and it is unclear how new pre-processing rules will affect the order of votes reported.

 Wisconsin is likely to finish most counting Wednesday. 9 PM

 Poll workers cannot begin processing ballots until Election Day, but they are required to count through the night until they are finished. In some jurisdictions, including Milwaukee, absentee ballots are counted at a central facility and are reported in large batches. A state official told CNN that full, unofficial results are not likely until the morning after the election.

 In 2020, Mr. Trump was ahead in the reported vote until the final results came in, including thousands of ballots from heavily Democratic Milwaukee. This “red mirage” in the results contributed to conspiracy theories about Mr. Biden’s victory. That pattern did not repeat in 2022.

 Arizona could take days.

 First results typically come in around 10 p.m. Eastern time, an hour after polls close. Most voters cast ballots by mail, and counting typically takes awhile. While poll workers are allowed to process those ballots that arrive before Election Day upon receipt, they must wait until after polls close to process the ones that arrive on Election Day.

 Two things could contribute to longer waits this year. Officials are now required to count and report the number of ballots dropped off on Election Day before beginning to process them. And in the state’s largest county, Maricopa, there are so many contests that the ballot is two pages, which means more paper to tabulate. Officials there said full results could take 10 to 13 days.

 Nevada could take days.

 In recent elections, about half of Nevada voters have cast ballots by mail, and counting usually takes awhile. Counting could be faster than in the past because of new technology and a rule that allows officials to tabulate ballots sooner. But postmarked ballots are allowed to arrive up to four days after the election, on Nov. 9, and voters have until Nov. 12 to address mistakes with their ballots.

 

40 comments:

  1. I liked this overview of the process.

    Although I omitted all the details about what happened four years ago, I finally understand why Trump could successfully claim that the election was stolen.

    Remember he is essentially a TV viewer and performer. So, of course he provided an explanation for the election TV viewers experience that on several occasions Trump appeared headed to victory only to have that taken away. (Of course, the election was stolen!). Nothing about the complexities of the ballot counting process.

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  2. One of the reasons that I am not going to spend much time watching this year's process unfold is that I think it will be extremely unlikely that Trump will win the popular vote. If he wins the electoral college vote, I think we should regard him as an illegitimate president and begin the process of demanding direct election of the president marching on Congress, state legislatures, etc. we the goal of having that changed by the next presidential election.

    The US presidency is such that we need on election night for the majority of the people to elect a person who can then immediately begin the process of forming a government without the hinderance of any further legal questions, certifications, etc. that could change the results. So Trump may claim that the 2020 election was stolen from him, as a counter we should all claim that he never was the president of the people even when he had the electoral votes and is will not become the president of the people for the next fours years unless he wins the popular vote.

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  3. Since Trump won the popular vote as well as the electoral college, it is clear that America is not ready for a woman president. Both times he ran against a woman candidate he defeated her in the electoral college. This time he defeated her in the popular vote as well.

    On the other hand, Trump was defeated by Biden a male candidate. And Obama won the presidency twice. American was ready for a Black male as president.

    Trump is not simply a racist candidate who plays on the fears that immigrants are taking American jobs, he is a sexist candidate who plays on the fears that uneducated men both old and young are losing their place in American society.

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  4. Depressing day, even though I was prepared for the outcome. Done trying to understand Trump voters. They're dangerous idiots, and a majority of Americans are dangerous idiots. America is gone. Buh-bye.

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    1. I guess I understand Trump votes better today than before.

      I had always understood how uneducated older voters felt that America had abandoned their values and therefore wanted to make America great again.

      I now understand why Trump votes think the 2020 election was stolen from them.

      Most of all I understand why young undereducated males see women as getting ahead of them because of their educations.

      What I don't understand is why many educated Republicans still support Trump when he is a threat to democracy. While uneducated Democrats have shifted to Trump, educated Republicans have shifted some but not that much to the Democrats.

      Bernie Sanders has the type of platform which could revitalized the Democratic party. See my newest post.

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    2. If all the votes like mine went from Stein to Harris, she still would have lost PA. The duopoly still reigns. Both Biden and Harris are creatures of the elite donor class which has no idea what it’s doing, or maybe it does. And the American electorate doesn’t give a damn about the Palestinians. The only thing that’ll help the Palestinians will be that BRICS wins, America experiences its collapse, and Israel and America spiral down together. In the near term, Trump can stop the Ukraine War, transfer the support to Israel so they can increase their effort to expand Eretz Israel.

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    3. I think that both race and misogyny played a big part. There was a backlash after Obama’s win. And a big backlash against strong women. Hilary was strongly disliked.

      Girls do better than boys in school. Women do better in college and receive more degrees at all levels, including grad school. Fewer boys go to college at all and fewer finish. So why is this resentment of women’s achievements so much worse in the US than in other countries? Even the Conservatives in England just chose a black woman to lead their party, and has had women PMs.

      What I don’t understand is why so many women support trump.

      I’m with Jean. America is lost. And the next few years could make it impossible to come back.

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  5. Well sh*t. Or something.
    I'm trying to keep in mind what my mom said in 1964 when Goldwater lost. She had been a dedicated Republican working hard locally in that campaign. I asked her, "So Mom, are you really, really disappointed that Goldwater lost?" She said, "Nah. It's old hat now. Life goes on. There'll be other elections." She lived to see the Reagan and Bush years (for better and for worse!) Nothing is ever the last word.
    I don't believe that the majority of people that voted for Trump are like the crowd that showed up at Madison Square Gardens the other night. They are my relatives and neighbors and parishioners. And I'm sorry, but Harris' emphasis on "reproductive freedom" came across to these people like "abortion any time for any reason". The culture issues sunk her here. Could have told her that.
    At least we don't have to worry about the Maga-hats losing their mind and torching everything. The Harris voters will accept the results and move on.

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    1. And I think Jack is right, above, when he alluded to misogyny playing a part.

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    2. Hope you don't need any generic drugs. Tariffs are going to create medication shortages and prices because they all come from abroad. Social Security is slated to go broke in 6 years, so not sure how Raber and I make it past 2030.

      Gonna be easier for some of you to love your idiot neighbors and family who voted this creep into office than for me.

      Only thing to do now is try to figure out how to help the folks who will suffer from having Trump-Musk-RFK fucking everything up.

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  6. I follow a substack and FB page of Steven Greydanus, who is a deacon in the NYC area. He had a good piece today, titled, "What do we do now?"
    https://greydanus.substack.com/?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email
    He doesn't try to bright-side things, but is real world without despairing.

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  7. Katherine said, "At least we don't have to worry about the Maga-hats losing their mind and torching everything."

    Nope, they'll torch everything in slo-mo thru executive privilege and originalists on the Supreme Court.

    I get that most folks here just want everybody to shut up and join hands and be nice now. That's not going to happen for some of us overnight. And especially not for folks like me who see American Christendom generally aligned with the kind of repression, control, and punishment that MAGA represents.

    While I cannot renounce the teachings of Jesus Christ, I do reject the American Catholic Church. I do not believe it will temper MAGAism or help anybody caught in the consequences of its policies.

    But I do get that future-tripping a lot of dystopian scenarios and insulting religion is wearying for you right now. So I need to find my place in a different community of believers. I thank everyone for their indulgence and hope you come thru the next four years with your sanity intact and your pocketbooks no worse off.

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    1. Jean, please don’t leave me alone here. There is no way I’m going to be all lovey dovey with MAGA voters, including those in my own family. I have stayed away from them for years now and will continue to keep my distance. My son and his wife are already talking about accelerating their plans to move to Spain. I had hoped to move to be near them.

      I put a lot of blame for this election on the so called leadership of the Catholic Church, especially bishops and priests who were too afraid to:open their mouths about any issue other than abortion. I agree that the destruction of our country will be in slow motion, but only for a while. Then it will accelerate. If we don’t get a miracle in the House there will be nobody around to stop the coming disaster.

      I also l up to you ona personal. When I feel like in to despair (most days) I think of your courage and refusal to give up in the face of multiple adversities. And force myself to get out of bed.

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  8. I am just heartbroken. I can’t even envision a less than tragic outcome. I worry about the children that are going to grow up in this “new” world.

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  9. "Every action has an equal and opposite reaction.". It remains to be seen what this will be. Pendulums swing so far and then they swing the other way

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  10. Given the shortness of her lead-up time to the election, I think she did as well as she could. Biden really should have said from the get-go that he was only going to do one term. Then, either Kamala or someone else would have had a better chance to make their case and be better known.
    I was not at all surprised that she honored the tradition of gracious concession of the election when she lost. I was well aware of more than a streak of decency prior to that.

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  11. The ADAMHS Board Renewal Levy was on the ballot. They have to be renewed every ten years, and usually as in this case they are put on the ballot a year or two before the expire. The general wisdom is that it is easier to get a levy renewed in an off-year election because the more civic minded people come to vote.

    The levy won by 58.2% which is in the higher range of the expected usually 55%. Trump won the county by 56.4%. Moreno the Republican for Senate won by only 50.8%. The levy had bipartisan support from all the county officials. Despite bipartisan support, people are tight with their wallets. My own township had a new Fire and Emergency Services levy. It barely passed at 50.5%

    So, people have a lot of mixed motives when they vote.


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  12. To Ann and Jean,

    While I share your concerns about Trump (as does Bernie Sanders) I don't think it is useful to spend time focusing upon him and his supporters. They would love nothing better, and we will fall into the media's trap.

    The media has a great story about the Trump comeback and red shift. That was a lot like when they buried the Republican party after Goldwater lost.

    I really liked Bernie's approach which is where our efforts should be focused.

    As for what happens if the Republican control the House, Senator, Presidency and Supreme Court. They could not even get things together in the House this past year. Sure, they could support a restrictive national abortion law which Trump will sign, and maybe they will lose the House, and Senate in two years and the presidency in four years.

    More important all sort of unexpected negative things will happen that they cannot so easily blame the Democrats for.

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    1. I do hope you both will stick around. I like this blog because of the diversity of our backgrounds and the way we react to things.

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    2. Thank you, Jack. I’m not leaving. I too like the diversity of backgrounds and opinions. But this site is also a lifeline for me because I’ve been so isolated for 14 months now. My hearing loss keeps me from participating in most outside activities.

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    3. Yes I hope you both stay around too!

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    4. Same here. FWIW: I took Jean's "buh-bye" as sort of writing off a country that elects Trump twice.

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    5. Jean and Anne,

      Betty too is very upset about the election results. She has many health problems which make her feel vulnerable. She will pray for you both as you manage this new environment and asks for your prayers.

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  13. What disappointed me was the 1% total national vote for non-genocidal third parties Green and Libertarian. These numbers are about the same as they ordinarily get. This tells me that the profound suffering in Gaza means little to nothing to Americans of all stripes. Not even a few percent. As they say, it’s in the noise. No discernable signal. In the senate race, I don’t know if the Repub McCormick has won yet over Bob Casey here in PA. The repub has a 0.4% lead. The Libertarian got 1.3% and Green Hazou got 0.9% as compared with 0.5% for Stein. Third parties actually made a difference in a close race. Why Stein got less than Hazou, I have no idea. Casey was unconditional for Israel, by the way, as I learned in a reply letter from him.

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    1. Bernie's challenge within the Democratic party has been far more successful than any third-party movement. And despite his age he has not given up. See the Update on my Bernie Post.

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    2. During this campaign of extreme spending by everyone, I contributed nothing not even to Bernie. Money in itself does not make a difference. The Democrats raised huge amounts of money.

      Today however in response to Bernie's update and "stay tuned," I sent in a symbolic $27. He did revolutionize campaigning by emphasizing many contributors giving small amounts symbolized by the average $27.

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    3. As you know, Stanley, you and I disagree on casting third party and write- in votes. Not voting third party doesn’t mean that Americans don’t care about Gaza, or the environment. It means that they fear a wasted vote and choose the infamous lesser of the evils. Those who think that the mid- east crises will be solved by any American president don’t pay much attention to history it seems. Maybe someday but not with any of the politicians that are around now.

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    4. Anne, there is no complexity involved in this. It’s not about solving some big, intractable mideast problem. It’s about stopping ongoing genocide by halting weapons flow to the antagonist. When I hear anyone talk about Gaza without using the g-word, I have to question whether they really perceive what is going on there or don’t want to admit it. I didn’t expect any third party to win but I expected SOME inroads into the American consciousness. There wasn’t any. The only hope for the bombed, starved, thirsty, diseased Palestinians seems to be a catastrophic collapse of the United States. That may have just been delivered. The next four years or more WILL be bad for us. They may be really bad for me personally. I’m on a government pension and who knows if that’s going to stick around. But bad for the rest of the world? I’m no longer sure. As for the modern history of the Middle East, it started with the Balfour Agreement and that European project called Zionism around 1903. Appealing to some general principle of endemic Mideast aggressiveness is to ignore the details of intense Western involvement and selfish motivation. Bottom line, for what it’s worth, I agree with Katherine’s post that, if Harris came out against the genocide, Harris wouldn’t gain many votes, she would have lost them. What’s that great biblical term? “A stiff-necked people”. My regard for the American people is proportional to the third-party vote count. I wish all the best for you and your family. Moving to Spain would mean living among much less mentally ill people. Nobody can fix what we have here. As for the climate disasters, that’ll be everywhere anyway.

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    5. I'm not offering this as a defense, but I don't think you can get Americans to care about Gaza when times are tough here.

      To wit: We have to live on $24k per year of Social Securit. We get all of $24 per month on food stamps. This is my second Thanksgiving without an oven because we can't afford to have the busted one fixed. (Turkey soup on the stove top comin' up!) We have a blue tarp over the screen porch because we can't afford to fix the leaks. Our hot water heater and fridge on on their last legs. The car is 8 years old. We have credit card debt we used to pay for Raber's heart attack in 2021. We had an estate sale this summer to raise money for our property taxes. What we do next year, who knows. You get behind more than two years in Michigan, and they take yr house.

      My kid has a learning disability and a couple years of college. Self-supporting since age 20. But he cannot afford a house, an apt in a good neighborhood, a better car, or other "frills." We sure can't help.

      Boo hoo, you say. At least you don't live in a war zone.

      True.

      And I hate that my tax money supports Netanyahu's genocide. But I cannot afford to waste a third party vote on principle. I did when I had $$. I can't now. I voted for Harris because she understands what income inequality means and how a strong middle class contributes to domestic prosperity and stability. She might have been less likely to dip into safety net programs.

      Poor people feel for the Gazans, but they can't move to Spain or afford to throw votes away.

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    6. Jean, the billions going to Israel and to the Arab governments to buy their peace with Israel, the billions going to the proxy war in Ukraine which will be lost, the trillion per year to support the fraud of an omnipotent military (my Lord, the woman wanted a “more lethal military”). But, that’s why Americans like you aren’t getting what they need and deserve. The Democrats under Clinton betrayed the working class and the middle class. Harris was all talk. A promissory few thousand here, a few peanuts there, while she was put in there by the donors for whom she would have been in employ and delivered heartily. She’s an ambitious phony and you can’t face up to an evil like Trump if you aren’t substantial. Given the outcome, more votes for third party candidates might have accomplished more good in the long run. But you have a problem NOW and I get that. I get why you voted for Harris. I don’t get why anyone would vote for Trump. But I really don’t get why genocide was not an issue at all. Not at all. Maybe I should have voted for Harris (also a wasted vote as it turns out) to give the people hanging on by their fingertips a few more years. That’s a cogent reason I should have considered since I consider this country doomed irregardless. This empire is going to auger in and take us with it. Bad for us, good for others. Horrible choices and tradeoffs. Sophie’s choice.

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    7. Like I said, not offering my sob story as a defense, just an explanation. And, yes, I know that Harris is a Limousine Liberal, and her constant carping about reproductive rights makes her sound like a tiresome Second Wave feminist out of touch with real problems. Just saying that for many Americans, things are desperate, and voting against your self interest, i.e., Trump unless you're a billionaire, is dumb. Thank you for trying to understand.

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    8. Stanley, it’s likely that the Gazans will be worse off under trump. Apparently he has told Netanyahu to “ Just finish it”. Apparently he’s suggesting annihilation. Both men like to see themselves as “ strongmen”. It’s not that people don’t care, it’s that they feel helpless and that voting for a third party doesn’t do any good.

      Jean, Putin and Orban are apparently assuming that america will turn isolationist again and leave European fields to them. Given Spain's history with fascism, supported by the Catholic church, my son and his family may not be any safer there in the long run than they are here. The whole world may suffer as a result of this election.

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    9. But you voted your conscience which is the right thing to do. I did also because Harris was the lesser of the evils in my view.

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    10. For what it’s worth - story in The Times of Israel

      “ The former president has long called for Israel to quickly secure a victory over Hamas, arguing that Israel has a public relations problem that gets worse the longer the war sparked by Hamas’s October 7 onslaught goes on. The assertion that the “killing has to stop” appeared to be the closest Trump has come to more directly criticizing Israel’s prosecution of the war .
      Yet speaking later Thursday at an event about tackling antisemitism, also in New Jersey, the former president criticized his Democratic opponent, Kamala Harris, for “always demanding ceasefire.”

      I don’t think either of them would refuse to continue to send weapons. But at least Harris was calling for a ceasefire.

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    11. Trump, via son-in-law Kushner, has a personal interest in killing every last living thing in Gaza and razing it to the ground: Seaside resort property. Same deal in Ukraine. If you're a besieged country with waterfront development potential, watch your back. Trump will be sending his idiot offspring in to do coke lines with the kleptocrats and to build Golden Monstrosities on every beach they can get their hands on.

      Harris could support a ceasefire and aid to Gaza because she wasn't interested in the real estate biz.

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  14. I meant, I can’t imagine a more tragic outcome. I’m an absolute mess. I can’t process this tragedy. I’m 86 so I’m fairly certain I won’t be here to see this ends. I’m unable to imagine a positive outcome. I worry about my grandchildren, my country, the world.

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    1. Rachel, I share your fears for children and grandchildren. Powerful Russians are gloating publicly - “ We won”.

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  15. In regard to third parties: if they are going to be effective, they need to attract more that protest votes. I have no idea of what they stand for or who their leaders are.

    Bernie founded a strong organization, Our Revolution, which could become a third party. They are supporting candidates across the nation. They are probably stronger than many of the existing thirty party organizations.

    Bernie himself is an Independent when he wants to be or a Democrat when he wants to be. When he founded the organization, he likely recognized that some of his followers might imitate him and run as independents when they failed to get the backing of the Democratic party.

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  16. FWIW, I was looking at Senate race statuses earlier today. There are a handful of swing states where the Republican candidate either has been declared the loser (Michigan, Wisconsin, Nevada) or is trailing (Arizona). IIRC, in all of those states, the Libertarian candidate's vote total more than made up for the Republican's losing margin. So depending on your point of view, third parties have their uses, or are a bane to our existence.

    I think it's generally agreed that Robert Kennedy Jr. dropping from the race and endorsing Trump helped Trump's candidacy, but I haven't seen any analysis crediting it with putting Trump over the top.

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    1. Correct in Michigan. Melissa Slotkin beat Mike Rogers by .3 percent, 48.6 to 48.3 percent. Libertarian and Green candidates each got 1 percent. Taxpayer and Natural Law got 0.7 and 0.3 percent. Greens were supposedly boosted by Michigan Arab-American voters who likely would have voted for Slotkin. However, Libertarians, Taxpayer and Natural Law Party would likely have gone to Rogers and put him over the top.

      Trump won by a decisive plurality in Michigan. Third parties would have given Trump a majority, but would not have boosted Harris over the top.

      I haven't bothered to dig into it a lot, but reports are that a significant fraction of of Trump voters voted only for him on the ballot and nobody else. Gives credence to the idea that Trump motivates a lot of know-nothings who normally spend Election Day cleaning their guns and bitching about how women are taking over.

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