Friday, October 25, 2024

Should the US Catholic Church speak out against Donald Trump?

In a recent post that touched on the quadrennial document "Forming Consciences for Faithful Citizenship" from the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops, it was noted that the Faithful Citizenship document does not address the issue of the Donald Trump-led GOP's threats to democracy and the nation's Constitutional order.  At a time when many concerned candidates, public figures and citizens are speaking out against the attempts to overthrow the 2020 election and the risk that further attempts could be made in the wake of this year's presidential election, the US bishops' main teaching document is silent.

But other national bishops' conferences have not been so reticent about threats to democracy in their own countries.  In a New York Times article, Harvard political science professors Steven Levitsky and Daniel Ziblatt give examples of bishops speaking out against anti-democratic movements.  The article is entitled (perhaps provocatively), "There Are Four Anti-Trump Pathways We Failed to Take.  There Is a Fifth."  

As the authors explain,  

We have been studying democratic crisis and authoritarianism for 30 years. Between the two of us, we have written five books on those subjects. We can think of few major national candidates for office [besides Donald Trump] in any democracy since World War II who have been this openly authoritarian...

We spent the last year researching how democracies can protect themselves from authoritarian threats from within. We have found five strategies that pro-democratic forces around the world have employed. None offer foolproof protection (no democracy could enjoy foolproof protection and remain a democracy), and some of them come with important drawbacks. But our research suggests that in the face of imminent extremist threats, these strategies are the best available.

The authors then discuss the five strategies for protecting democracies from authoritarians.  For purposes of this post, I'll focus on the fifth strategy, but the other four are worth considering as well:

Strategies for democracies to protect themselves from authoritarians

1. Elections (the "laissez-faire" approach).  The authors characterize relying on elections to stop authoritarians as the "laissez-faire" approach, as elections don't rely on any extraordinary measures.  Each election presents us with the opportunity to choose candidates committed to staying within the laws, norms and customs of American public life, and to reject candidates who would break through those firewalls.  But the authors note several weaknesses with relying on laissez-faire: the structure of the American electoral college is not perfectly democratic, and its bias toward small-population states may tip the scales in favor of an iconoclastic party which dominates those states; and apart from the electoral college, there is no guarantee that citizens in a democracy will vote for respect-the-norms candidates.  The authors cite the examples of Hugo Chávez in Venezuela and Viktor Orban in Hungary among others who rose to power via elections and then wielded their power to weaken and undermine democratic safeguards.

2. Militant or defensive democracy.  This strategy uses the rule of law to prevent anti-democratic candidates and parties from participating in elections.  Earlier in our lifetimes, West Germany made it illegal for fascist and Communist parties to operate.  Today, South Korea and Brazil have laws which prevent individuals and parties inimical to democracy from running for office.  The authors note that, in the United States, Section III of the 14th Amendment can be used to bar candidates for president who have "engaged in insurrection or rebellion".  However, earlier this year, our Supreme Court declined to allow Colorado to ban Trump from its ballot on 14th-amendment grounds.  And more generally, the US tradition is not to ban candidates and parties, even those which are anti-democratic.

3. Partisan gatekeeping. Traditionally, political parties have curbed or banned extremist elements within their ranks.  As examples, the authors point to Henry Ford, who harbored some anti-democratic and anti-Semitic views, being kept out of Democratic Party politics; and Republican party leaders in the early 1970s agreeing to cooperate with impeachment proceedings against President Nixon, which quickly led to his resigning the presidency.  The authors pointedly note contemporary GOP leaders' failure to exert this same discipline during Donald Trump's second impeachment trial, in the wake of the January 6th, 2021 Capitol riots/insurrection.  FWIW, my own view is that GOP leaders' failure goes back considerably longer than that; I've thought since early 2016 that party leaders should have resisted Trump's hostile takeover of the party - even before his totalitarian tendencies were as manifest as they are now.  

4. Containment.  Containment occurs when opposition parties, or elements of opposition parties, unite against a common threat.  This happened just a few months ago in France's "snap elections", when Marine Le Pen's National Front party seemed poised to claim the largest plurality; opposition parties from both Left and Right-Center ganged together to form a "cordon sanitaire" that succeeded in preventing her from being able to form a government.  The authors cite a similar recent occurrence in Poland.  But they admit this isn't feasible in the US, which has only two mainstream parties and lacks a parliamentary style of government that allows combinations of parties to form a coalition government.   It is possible that individual Republicans could "cross over" to vote for Kamala Harris in an effort to keep Trump from winning the election; but the pattern during the Trump era has been that Republican rank and file, as much as its leaders, have remained loyal to the party.  It seems many of them would rather have (or settle for) Trump in the White House than any Democrat.  

The fifth strategy: societal mobilization

Having considered these four strategies and noting that, in the case of the United States and Donald Trump, those strategies haven't been effective (or at least not completely effective), the authors then describe the fifth strategy, which they call societal mobilization:

Democracy’s last bastion of defense is civil society. When the constitutional order is under threat, influential groups and societal leaders — chief executives, religious leaders, labor leaders and prominent retired public officials — must speak out, reminding citizens of the red lines that democratic societies must never cross. And when politicians cross those red lines, society’s most prominent voices must publicly and forcefully repudiate them.

The authors then offer two recent examples of leaders of civil society speaking up to prevent authoritarian candidates or parties from gaining traction.  The first is Germany:

A recent example of societal mobilization is the German public reaction to the revelation of a secret November 2023 gathering in which leaders of the far-right AfD met with neo-Nazi groups and discussed a plan for the mass deportation of immigrants, including foreign-born German citizens.

In response, German business leaders of large corporations and small businesses, as well as union leaders, spoke up publicly to defend democracy, human dignity, diversity and tolerance.  There were public demonstrations, in which millions of Germans took part.  And the German Catholic bishops did not remain on the sidelines:

The Catholic Church also responded forcefully. Representatives from all 27 German bishoprics released a statement condemning right-wing nationalism and declaring:

"Right-wing extremist parties and those that place themselves close to such ideologies can be no place of political engagement for Christians. These parties are not electable . … We call on all fellow citizens … to clearly reject political offers from the far-right."

The authors also offer the example of Brazil:

When President Bolsonaro began to threaten democratic institutions in the run-up to the 2022 election, Brazilian civil society mobilized in a similar manner. Mr. Bolsonaro threatened the Supreme Court, attacked the legitimacy of the electoral system, and sought to dismantle Brazil’s electronic voting system. This spurred business, religious and civic groups to mobilize, which produced a series of high-profile public letters in defense of democracy.

Brazilian business, financial and government leaders responded by speaking out in favor of democracy.  And as in Germany, the Brazilian bishops found their voice:

Finally, in October 2022, as Brazil headed into a second-round runoff between Mr. Bolsonaro and ex-President Lula da Silva, Catholic bishops from across Brazil published a “Letter to the People of God,” which called on Catholics to reject Mr. Bolsonaro. The letter declared that “staying neutral is not an option when it comes to choosing between two visions for Brazil — one democratic and the other authoritarian …. The Church does not have a political party, nor will it ever, but it does take a stand.”

Mr. Bolsonaro narrowly lost the runoff, and his effort to overturn the election results met overwhelming public rejection.

Clearly, these authors see the Catholic church as possessing moral authority, and believe the church's voice can make a difference in times of crisis.

Are the American bishops speaking out about threats to our democracy?

The short answer is, "No".  At the time this post is being composed, the USCCB website features no statements or documents on its landing page regarding the importance of defending and sustaining democratic norms in the face of internal threats.  The following featured content currently is rotating at the landing page:

  • Respect Life Month
  • The Synod on Synodality
  • Forming Consciences for Faithful Citizenship
  • Jubilee 2025 - Pilgrims of Hope
  • Pope pleads for military restraint in the Middle East
There is nothing wrong with these topics.  But taken as a whole, they paint the picture of an American church promoting "normal" things during "normal" times.  

The USCCB site also has a section on Issues & Action.  It includes a directory of topics with links to further information.  Of the 70 or so topics listed, one doesn't find an entry for "Democracy" or "Elections" or "Voting".  There is an entry for "Faithful Citizenship"; that link takes one to a landing page with links to the "Forming Consciences" document, and some other resources, but it appears none of them focus on defending democratic norms and institutions from those who would weaken or overturn them.  There is also an entry for "Public Policy"; that link takes one to a page with links to information about Catholic schools and other topics of interest to church leaders.   

The site also has a virtual Newsroom, with recent public statements and press releases.  Currently, nearly all of the items listed are about the synod or recent documents and statements from the Holy Father.

The site also reports that the US bishops will have their Fall Plenary meeting in Baltimore on November 11-14.  That is the week after the election.  As is usually the case, the bishops have a packed (albeit not yet finalized) agenda, including reports from committees, consideration of liturgical texts, a report on the Eucharistic Revival, and choosing new officers.  Again, all of this is important; it is also a business-as-usual agenda.  To be sure: electoral events may transpire which cause the bishops to set aside this agenda.  

But one might note that there is no need for the bishops to await additional events to speak out.  There already have been quite a few events which warrant raising one's voice in public, including the attack on the Capitol in 2021 (which did elicit three paragraphs from the USCCB president), the other activities from the 2020 election that constituted attempts to nullify the election results; and various indications that history may be preparing to repeat itself during this election cycle.  

To be sure: we may assume the bishops hope (and are praying) as fervently as us that nothing transpires this time around: that the election proceeds peacefully, smoothly and in an orderly fashion, as was the American custom until 2020.  My respectful message to the bishops is that their collective voice carries moral authority, when they use it.  These are not normal times; they don't call for proceeding as usual.  They call for speaking up.  Now, before the election, would be an excellent time to forthrightly defend American norms and the rule of law during our upcoming election.  

37 comments:

  1. Jim,

    A fine review of the issues, and of what the bishops collectively mostly have not done.

    While agreeing that it would be good for the bishops to act together, have any of the liberal Catholic bishops done anything to even raise the issue? Nothing comes to mind. Are even they asleep at the switch?

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  2. I believe that in the present moment all they can do is to emphasize the American traditions of the rule of law in accepting the results of elections, and rejecting reactions of violence. We are so polarized and so nearly evenly divided, that speaking out as a conference against Donald Trump would throw the American church into schism. We are that fraught and explosive in this moment. And I'm sorry, but 50 years of emphasis on single issue politics has helped bring us to the moment. We reap what we sow.

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    1. Katherine, you are right that the country is polarized, and Catholics are fairly evenly divided between Harris and Trump supporters. I would think the example of Brazil is instructive here, as presumably Bolsonaro had many Catholic supporters in that majority-Catholic country. Yet the Brazilian bishops spoke anyway, with a unified voice. The American bishops could do the same. It would surely displease a lot of Catholic Republicans, and conservative media would blast them. And it would take a lot of work to get all (or at least a majority) of the bishops on board. They should still do the right thing.

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    2. Jim, I agree that they should do the right thing. But what are the odds of getting the likes of Bishops Aquila, Naumann, Olmsted, Paprocki, Cordileone, etc. on board with a group statement. The best we can hope for is a strong statement from some individual bishops who undertake to do it on their own. As some already have.

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    3. I don't know how these conservative bishops feel about Trump's authoritarian tendencies. I'd hope their patriotism supersedes any warm feelings they may feel toward Donald Trump for his judicial picks.

      The bishops as a whole probably can't get organized between now and the election to speak as a single body. (Such an effort would have had to begin months ago.)

      Some of them could write a strong and clear public letter and invite the others to add their signatures after they're read and considered it. It might garner many signatures. Those (presumably relatively few) who don't feel they can't sign on, wouldn't have to.

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    4. I am reading that Bishop Stowe made a public statement.

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  3. If Trump wins the elections, and the Republicans the House and Senate, his path to authoritarian rule is clear. I am sure he will begin to make that clear by the time the bishops meet.

    As for opposition from the Catholic Bishops all Trump will have to do is say that he will sign an abortion ban if it reaches his desk. That will end any united action by the bishops as well as probably any individual bishops who might be inclined to oppose Trump.

    Ironically Francis's attempt to promote unity of the American bishops by synodality, i.e. listening to one another but doing nothing, may have barred any possibility of civic action by any bishop against Trump.

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  4. https://www.ncronline.org/news/christian-nationalism-distorts-faith-says-lexington-bishop-john-stowe

    This is an example of what individual bishops should be doing.

    In looking through NCR's list of stories on the election it is the only example!

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  5. https://www.ncronline.org/opinion/ncr-voices/likely-what-3-us-cardinals-discussed-pope-francis

    Three liberal American cardinals met with Pope Francis in an official meeting at the Vatican palace, just like politicians do, rather than at Santa Marta.

    MSW thinks they talked about coming bishop appointments. I think that is unlikely. That is not how Francis operates about bishops.

    They and Francis are likely very concerned about a Trump election. Are the cardinals thinking of speaking out about a Trump presidency, once that Synod ends? Maybe that is just wishful thinking upon my part. Surely Francis must be concerned about a right-wing authoritarian government since he lived under one in Argentina. Would he encourage the three American cardinals to speak out? It might be our last chance to avoid Trump.

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  6. Voting makes no practical difference wrt the genocide in Gaza. No matter which duopoly party wins, the situation will be the same, Israel gone ape without constraint. That leaves only civil disobedience. I expect the consequences for civil disobedience will be much worse, even physical, even death, under a Trump administration than under Harris. Beyond civil disobedience, the genocide may be stopped by the collapse of the dollar. BRICS just held a meeting in Russia. They have collectively a larger economy than the G7. The party may be over. Will Wall Street become Small Street or will the oligarchs move their money into other things and currencies? I hear Gates is buying up lots of farmland.

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  7. Bishops should speak out against policies that run counter to Church teaching. They have certainly been vocal about abortion and, to a far lesser extent, on treatment of immigrants, which has cut no ice with Catholic Trumpers.

    Generally, speaking out against a particular person strikes me as dicey because it makes it sound like "get rid of this person, problem solved." (This was the tack taken with abortion, with far too much effort targeted merely at overturning Roe.) In Trump's case you've still got the MAGA movement to contend with.

    I suppose the bishops could clutch their pearls over Trump's performance at the Al Smith Dinner as unChristian and unbecoming in some way.

    But I suspect that, as a group of mostly white Catholics, 80 percent of them think Trump is A-OK, along with the majority of other white Catholics.

    So whether they should "say something" is moot. Cuz they won't.

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    1. Just keeping myself honest here: Among white Catholics about 60 percent favor Trump. It's white evangelicals who favor Trump by 80 percent. Source at Pew: https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2024/04/30/voters-views-of-trump-and-biden-differ-sharply-by-religion/

      According to NCR, 88 percent of US Catholic bishops are white, so I presume a majority of the bishops lean MAGA.

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  8. In fairness to the bishops, they have spoken out against violence and called for a peaceful election.

    What I haven't seen is support for our democratic norms and acknowledgement that these are at risk.

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    1. Playing Devil's Advocate here to some extent, but:

      Where in the CCC is there support for our democratic norms that would justify the bishops making statements?

      What can the bishops point to in the CCC that shows Trump's proposed policies for his new admin do not mesh with Catholic values?

      I'd say the 500 kids who are still in or have aged out of foster care during Trump's family separation policy might be a violation of something, but the bishops aren't kicking about it. So much pro-family teaching.

      Trump's personal life certainly does not mesh with Catholic values, but VoteCatholic and other right-wing Catholic groups have pretty much taken the tack that God works through imperfect vessels.

      I find it interesting that the "no communion for you" bishops have never freaked out about Catholic Melania Trump marrying a divorcee in the Episcopal Church the way they have over pro-choice Biden who has never encouraged anybody to actually have an abortion.

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    2. If I'm able, I'll do some CCC homework (and/or homework in other Catholic magisterial teaching) when I get some time. Until then: here is Pope Francis warning about the democracies worldwide in crisis. For bishops, the pope's expressing his concern would seem to be authorization aplenty to speak up and take action.

      https://www.usccb.org/news/2024/pope-indifference-cancer-democracy

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    3. Authorization maybe, but I presume the problem is inclination.

      I expect most of the bishops think the Christian part of MAGA's white Christian nationalism will be good for the American Catholic Church--good for reversing LGBTQ laws, for Catholic social service orgs that want to ensure only hetero married couples adopt, for Catholic hospitals that do not want to perform abortions, sterilizations, etc, and for Catholics who want vouchers to send kids to Catholic schools.

      I would vote for Trump if I were a conservative Catholic. He's 78. He can't last long, and J.D. Vance is an enthusiastic, conservative convert.

      I think I would argue that our rights to operate as Catholic Christians must be ensured and codified *in order to restore our nation's democratic norms.* All this obsessing over Trump's unfortunate characteristics is missing the forest for the trees.

      But I look forward to reading your homework.

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    4. Jean, unfortunately I think you are right. A lot of conservative Catholics value those perks you mentioned a whole lot more than they value democracy. As long as they're the ones getting preferential treatment.

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    5. They think that preferential treatment for white Christians is woven into American democracy and that's being taken away (hence "make America great again"). They see themselves as the heirs to the white Founders steeped in the Judeo-but-mostly-Christian-Protestant tradition. It's outsiders and special interest groups who are weakening those traditions with their demands to construe the constitution in directions the Founders never intended. Originalists claim that the Founders intended all sorts of thing, always things that align with their own world view because "that's how it always was in the past."

      There will be some potholes for Catholics and Jews who want to travel this road with evangelicals and fundamentalists, but I guess they'll have to figure that out on their own.

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  9. Re: the bishops and the political parties, here are my thoughts:

    * Francis has been appointing bishops for quite some time now - since 2013, I believe. I think it's reasonable to expect that the American bishops aren't as "Benedict-centric" as would have been the case at the beginning of Francis's pontificate. That's not to say they are a "liberal" conference (even within the range of possibilities for a bishop's conference). But over the last decade, I expect the center of gravity has shifted at least a little to the left. I think the extent of their "captivity" by the GOP always has been exaggerated, but I think it's less captive now than it was, say, during the GW Bush presidency.

    * Insofar as Donald Trump is the GOP's thought leader, the GOP has shifted its stance on abortion during this cycle. Trump's view is, Let the states decide. If Kentucky, Nebraska, Michigan and Ohio have voted to permit abortion widely - he and his party are theoretically just fine with that. Not so with the bishops; I don't think they're ready to concede yet that abortion is something Americans are going to have to live with across vast stretches of the country.

    * I think the bishops would bristle at being described as single-issue. In the previous post on Faithful Citizenship, we saw that they're highlighting six issues, one of which is respect for life. They have been better than good on immigration. And they do speak out on a variety of issues, even when it results in little or no press coverage, and the Catholic faithful aren't aware of it happening.

    * I am sorry to say, Democrats are not pristine when it comes to respecting our democratic norms. Kamala has all but promised to set aside the filibuster (an invaluable norm) in order to enact nationwide abortion legislation. There is still a lot of energy on the left to pack the Supreme Court for purposes of generating case decisions more congenial to their preferences. And personally, I don't find it difficult to imagine election-outcome scenarios in which the Democratic Party doesn't crawl away quietly to lick its wounds; it did not do so in 2000. These are items we can discuss and argue about, but the point here is: the bishops can speak up in defense of democratic norms and institutions without singling out the GOP or Donald Trump (although he/they do seem to be the clear and present danger).

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    1. Possibly my response to your post above is germane. Or maybe not. If the USCCB (or any clergy) wanted my thoughts, my contact info is readily available. So what I say is just another apostate screaming into the void.

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  10. I had to very strongly disagree with this piece by MSW: https://www.ncronline.org/opinion/ncr-voices/why-kamala-harris-closing-message-falls-short
    Among other things, he called Kamala Harris' closing statement a "case of political malpractice". He thought she should have focused on economic issues. Instead she is focused on the threat to democracy. We have all been " it's the economy, stupid-ed" to death. We all know, or we should, that the president's ability to influence the economy positively is limited (driving it off the cliff is another story). Economy ebbs and flows. If we lose our democracy it would be very difficult to reverse that slide. Trump is an existential threat to our form of government. It is proper and right that she should sound the alarm. I'm not sure I need to know what the bishops think. I definitely do need to know what the candidate opposing Trump thinks.

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    1. The problem I see with MSW piece is that he is writing almost entirely as an amateur campaign strategist. That doesn't mean he is wrong, but it does mean that he thinks he knows better than Harris and her team of political professionals.

      There's not much hope to convince Trump supporters to vote for Harris at this stage of the game. It's a matter of persuading the undecideds (what few there are) and, more importantly, motivating potential Harris supporters to get out and vote. All the talking heads I take seriously say the election will be won by whichever party can be most successful in getting their would-be voters to to cast ballots.

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    2. Katherine, I agree. Normal policy differences are not really the issue. But it’s sad that millions have been convinced by a fox etc that the economy is terrible even though it’s actually done better in most areas than under trump. But you you are right - it’s our democracy and freedom that are at stake. As you note, the economy ebbs and flows - nobody has yet figured out how to undo the business cycle. But if trump has another term, perhaps replaced by Vance after a while, the nation we old folks knew may be history, literally. Our children and grandchildren will suffer. Minorities will suffer the most.

      I doubt many Catholics pay much attention to bishops anyway, on any subject.

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    3. Anne, how are things going now that you are back in Maryland?

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    4. Thank you for asking. Katherine. I have loved being home, but it has been a rough ride. Very difficult to get good care at home in spite of the very high cost. They can only take care of my husband not help me. We will probably have to return to San Jose and assisted living in January or so. I hated San Jose. And I hated assisted living. But we may have little choice. I continue to be very depressed and very anxious. Our dr.here has started me on an antidepressant. I trust him so I’m taking it - it’s only been a week so I don’t know if it will help. There have been four deaths in the last month - our beloved sister in law, a cousin, the husband of my only friend in San Jose ( she died in March), and the 42 year old daughter of one of my lifetime friends from college. I feel that we need to be closer to a son in case one of us dies so that the survivor will have support. But the clear out of 52 years of packratedness in our big house is very slow work and I don’t have the physical strength that I had only 13 months ago. Carrying things up and down stairs is very hard and our helper is only allowed to help my husband - not me. Plus she’s almost as old as I am and I don’t want her to fall down our stairs carrying boxes anyway. she is also not allowed to change the colostomy bag. And I just found out that we will lose our Medicare covered weekly nurse who has been changing the colostomy bag. I’m supposed to take over and I have a panic attack every time I try so we will be paying $150/week out of pocket to have a nurse come to do it. Plus if there is a problem with it after hours nobody will come until the next business day. Even the for extra money nurses. No night or weekend coverage. My son in San Jose can change the bag in an emergency.. for now we can afford it, but down the road we might not. We had better not live too long.

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    5. Our healthcare system is so awful. I just read a letter by. Man in Amsterdam comparing the care his German father gets with what his American mother gets. Everything is covered for his father including extensive care at home. But not for his mother and they are struggling to pay for the care she needs. Jane has often pointed out what a totally awful system we have if without a whole lot of money for retirement and old age. We had enough catastrophe hit.

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    6. Thanks for the update, Anne. You and your husband are in my continued prayers. I am so sorry to hear about so many deaths of friends and family. That makes it doubly hard.
      I hear what you are saying about the need to sort out and downsize. We need to do that ourselves, and right now I'm dealing with painful back problems and can't make any progress with it. My doctor says the problem should be self limiting and should heal with time. I hope he is right!
      It doesn't sound like things were very good in San Jose. Would it be any better where one of your other sons live?

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    7. I would prefer to be on LA near our eldest son, but they are the family talking about moving to Spain in a couple of years. If trump wins, it might be sooner.

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    8. Sorry to hear about everyone's continuing health woes.

      Katherine, I have scoliosis, and, yes, a lot of back pain is self-limiting. One of those hanging bars has been really helpful keeping things limber, along with the daily "old lady yoga." If yr doc thinks it's a good idea, you can also find 20-minute chair yoga stretch vids on YouTube. When I try to do yoga on the floor mat, the cats like to park on me.

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    9. LOL, my cats used to be there with bells on if I got on the floor. I'm finally improving to where I can do some pt stretches. It didn't help that I was back at work for awhile.
      Anne, I am concerned that you will hurt yourself lugging heavy boxes down stairs. Can you get professional movers to move some of that for you?

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  11. I would not mind if the Catholic Church kept itself totally out of partisan politics. However, seeing DJT and Cardinal Dolan hobnobbing at the Al Smith Dinner turned my stomach. It was too much, even if the Al Smith Dinner has traditionally been nonpartisan. Inviting and hosting Trump is not nonpartisan. Trump is too far outside of "normal parameters."

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  12. Our county is probably 60-80% Republican. I know there are a lot of Trump voters in the mix. But I was at book club the other evening. We are a pretty loose group, people drift in and out. Usually 10-12 people come. The subject of the election came up. 100% of the people there said they were never Trumpers. At least 3 of us were Catholics ( that wasn't discussed, I know them from other contexts) Don't know what that means, if anything. But it seems a little bit hopeful that 10 out of 10 people in a red area were "oh, hell no!" about another Trump presidency. Or baby book club people trend more that way. It sure wouldn't have been the case with the women's sodality meeting.

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    1. Gah, auto correct! 'baby" should have read "maybe" above.

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    2. Maybe people who read tend to get news from more than just X and FOX.

      The Washington Post is getting a lot of pushback for Bezos' injunction on endorsements. One of the WaPo eds who quit over it intimated that the refusal to endorse was a quid pro quo deal between Trump and Bezos re his rocket ship company.

      This morning Raber reported on a clip of men saying they had to vote for Trump because a woman "can't go to Arab countries." Others were griping that women were "taking over" the doctor profession.

      Given the way men are piling on the MAGA train, I'm ready to suggest we repeal the 19th Amendment and ban men from voting until they start using their brains.

      Barring that, we could set up huge Monster Truck/mud wrestling/MMA rallies to run Nov 5 to keep them distracted.

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    3. Awhile back WaPo had a reduced price special going to subscribe. I bit on it. I was debating whether I would renew when the subscription came up. Jeff freaking Bezos made the decision very easy.
      What I should do is discontinue Amazon Prime, because that is Bezos' main moneymaker, but I use it too much.

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    4. Not canceling my WaPo because it feeds credible journalists. I ditched Prime after Raber's heart attack. The hospital let us pay back the balance not covered by Medicare in monthly installments, but we had to figure out how to cough up the $250 per month, and entertainment frills were the first to go. Haven't really missed it.

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    5. “ Barring that, we could set up huge Monster Truck/mud wrestling/MMA rallies to run Nov 5 to keep them distracted.”

      Great idea!

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