There was an interesting review of a book by Kaya Oakes on the NCR site, "Not So Sorry; Abusers, False Apologies and the Limits of Forgiveness" New book from Kaya Oakes explores the limits of forgiveness | National Catholic Reporter (ncronline.org)
"Not So Sorry goes on to take a sweeping look at the way forgiveness has been portrayed as a necessary element of healing; healing for victims, yes, but even for abusers. Oakes writes that our American notion of forgiveness is infused with the influences of philosophy, psychology and religion, leading us to the assumption that forgiveness is always virtuous — the good and right thing to do — and that unforgiveness is a sin and moral failing."
"Working from the perspective of large-scale institutional abuse scandals, Oakes crafts a new narrative about the "virtue" of forgiveness and its shortcomings as a performative action that placates abusers' consciences far more often than it heals the collective and individual damage."
"...We need a more forgiving definition of forgiveness," writes Oakes near the end of the book, and that becomes the retroactive map of her comprehensive appraisal and compelling evidence that forgiveness in America is tied to the preservation of power, at the expense of victims who are viewed as heroic if they forgive and morally defective if they choose not to."
"...Oakes proposes that a more comprehensive healing is achieved when these individuals and institutions are held accountable for repairing the damage they have done through restorative justice. With justice rather than forgiveness at the heart of the intention, victims are centered and perpetrators' narratives rightly become the backstory."
There are lot of things to consider about the subject of forgiveness. I notice that the book appears to be specifically about forgiveness of abuse. I am not really qualified to speak on that since I have never had to forgive something life changing, such as an unfaithful or abusive spouse, or physical or sexual abuse. Just the normal stuff everyone has to put up with; mean girls at school, a toxic boss or two, that kind of thing.
Sometimes I am reminded about the "monkey trap", that we can't get free of the trap until we let go of what we are holding on to.
We need to be careful, though, about defining down forgiveness. Jesus was really, really insistent about it. And we say, "forgive us our trespasses, as we forgive those who trespass against us" every single time we say the Our Father.
Do any of you have thoughts on forgiveness?
Forgiveness seems to be a mandatory step toward "healing." I don't know if mental health professionals are pushing this, or if it's just something that the pop-psych literature has glommed onto.
ReplyDeleteForcing some kind of forgiveness statement or mindset so you can "heal" isn't really forgiveness, imo.
I don't typically hang onto grudges very long, but dropping a grudge is not necessarily the same as forgiveness. When I let go of a grudge, I usually let go of the person who caused it because they thrive on drama and chaos. I'd help them if they were sick or starving, but not interested in spending Thanksgiving with them.
I do tend to think that bad behavior is its own punishment. Certainly saw that with people in my family who made bad choices.
Mostly I think I am more in need of forgiveness than that I need to forgive.
Confession has always been meaningless to me. Half the things I was confessing I didn't feel sorry for. The things I did feel sorry for, I apologized directly to the offended party for. I didn't need the priest to be in on it or tell me how to make it right.
I'm not denying the sacrament here; The Boy was raised with it and found relief and forgiveness in it growing up.
I agree with something I think both Oakes and you are saying, that genuine forgiveness can be dumbed down to a sort of cheap grace.
ReplyDeleteOakes is right to insist on the possibility of justice via restoration. But for something like the sexual abuse of minors, there may not be a way to fully restore the status quo ante. How does one give someone their childhood back? Counseling for the victim, removal from the clerical state/status and imprisonment (if the perp is still alive) and awarding of financial penalties may be the closest we can come.
I am intrigued by the use of truth and reconciliation commissions as a process to heal historical wrongs, such as apartheid in South Africa or the civil war in El Salvador. I wonder if Oakes would say that truth-telling about what happened historically is necessary but not sufficient.
Ah, historical wrongs like slavery in the U.S. or displacement of Native Americans? What restoration is owed, what can be afforded, how is it to be parceled out, and who pays?
DeleteI don't know the answers to those questions. Tulsa, Oklahoma, is trying to figure it out viz a viz the massacre of hundreds of African Americans in a prosperous black business district 100 years ago.
Other groups are involved in restoring documents that would allow African Americans get to the truth about their ancestors.
But no effort--state, local, federal, public, or private--is going to satisfy everybody. And you have any number of white nationalist groups who believe nonwhites have already been overly compensated by Affirmative Action and welfare.
I suspect that these types of problems will continue to fester, maybe with less intensity as time goes on, for many more generations.
I hope I am a forgiving person. I'm not too good at forgetting, though.
ReplyDeleteThis past weekend, I attended a high school reunion, my 45th. Five years ago here at NewGathering, I had written a couple of posts about my 40th reunion, including mentioning that a gay friend from high school was still a bit traumatized from all the razzing and bullying he endured when we were in high school.
ReplyDeleteThis same friend came to this past weekend's reunion. At one point during the evening, he mentioned to us that one of his tormentors from high school days had just apologized to him, a few minutes earlier, for all the mistreatment he had dished out back then. My friend didn't exactly roll his eyes, but he told us that he had replied to the ex-bully he had "moved on".
I don't say this to blame my friend, because I think forgiving people for some things can be difficult nearly to the point of impossibility, but Katherine's post here caused me to reflect that "moving on" isn't precisely the same as forgiveness - but sometimes, moving on is the best we can do. Getting to the point of forgiveness can be a journey rather than an event.
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DeleteGetting to the point of forgiveness can be a journey rather than an event." I think that is true, Jim. Jesus can forgive as an event, some of the saints do it. But for those who aren't quite saints yet, I think it is more of a process, especially if it was for something serious.
DeleteNot long before she died, my mother said she was deeply ashamed of (not the same as saying she was sorry for) something she did when I was 12. It is seared into my brain, but I told her I didn't remember it. At the time, I lauded myself for trying to be kind and rise above. In retrospect, I think it was my way of depriving her of any closure by giving her an I've-moved-on answer.
DeleteSo, no, not forgiveness and pretty much closing off any chance of it.
I think I'm better at forgetting than forgiving. Nothing really that bad has ever been done personally to me but things that are done to others can bother me. My friend was double-crossed and slandered in his divorce. Maybe he could move on in the future, but for now he's still attached to his ex-wife through his child and she never lets an opportunity for petty frustration pass. When the kid is in college in three years, maybe he can move on somehow. But the man was definitely nuked and may never recover. He was financially crippled as well and that will never go away.
DeleteOn a bigger stage, have the Jews ever forgiven the German Nazis? Will the Palestinians ever forgive the Israelis for their extermination campaign? Everyday Germans were compliant with the Holocaust. And most Israeli citizens support the present genocide.
One thing I'm sure about. Revenge doesn't solve anything. Ultimately, we have to admit that all groupings of humans are capable of good but also evil, ourselves included. We have to attain peace nonetheless, with forgiveness or without it.
I prefer the rather literal translation of the Lord’s Prayer which reads
ReplyDeleteDismiss our debts (dimitte nobis debita nostra)
as we also dismiss the debts of those who are indebted to us
(sicut et nos dimmitimus debitoribus nostris).
We are all enormously indebted to everyone around us for everything we have.
Forgive us Lord for not recognizing that every moment of our lives.
Forgive us for all the moments when we feel that we are underappreciated for our contributions to others.
I think that has more to do with divine economy and "Give us this day our daily bread"
than the following "Lead us not into temptation but Deliver us from Evil"
I see a strong Eucharistic flavor and community flavor to these words of indebtedness
which leads to the plea of being delivered from the divisiveness of being unappreciative of one another
I think judgment of evil and forgiveness is ultimately in the hands of God and that we should be refrain from judging both ourselves an other people.
That's good food for thought, Jack.
Delete"We are all enormously indebted to everyone around us for everything we have. Forgive us Lord for not recognizing that every moment of our lives."
DeleteIt's so easy to "forget" that!
LOL, unrelated, apparently Harrison Butker said Cardinal Cupich wore his pectoral cross wrong: https://www.ncronline.org/news/reporters-inbox-chiefs-kicker-butker-says-chicago-cardinal-wears-his-cross-wrong
ReplyDeleteI'm sure the cardinal is grateful for Butker's fraternal correction!
As a graduate student around 1970 I used to go to the annual Midwestern Psychology conference which was held in the Palmer House in Chicago.
DeleteIt was often at the same time as the Bishops had their annual meeting. They would be on one floor, and we would be on another floor.
But we were often in the elevator with the bishops who wore their crosses tucked into their vest pockets so that you only saw the chain.
Kinda reminded me of the mob!!! Which I guess was very active at one time in Chicago. Perhaps my intuitions were not that far off.
According to the article Cardinal Cupich was wearing his cross correctly according to canon law which says that it shouldn't be visible when speaking to an audience not of his diocese (which the majority of that crowd wouldn't be)
DeleteA million years ago, there was a discussion about forgiveness on the old C'weal blog. I jotted down some ideas from it. My takeaways were that:
ReplyDeletea) people were divided about whether forgiveness was more important for the forgiver or the forgiven.
b) human forgiveness is imperfect and maybe not permanent, i.e., you might get angry thinking about an offense and renege on your forgiveness and then re-forgive.
c) people differed on what forgiveness looked like, was the offender totally restored in your regard as if nothing had happened, or was it more like, I accept your apology as sincere, but don't contact me again.
There were likely more and deeper comments, but those were my thoughts at the time.
Anne, are you in Maryland yet?
DeleteGood thought on forgiveness.
Just wondering if there's a glitch in our system. It's Jean posting. Again. Hoping Anne and husband have made their trip uneventfully and can make adequate care arrangements in MD.
DeleteThere might be a glitch in the system. Or maybe the glitch is in my brain. I was sure I saw Anne's name at the top of the post! Anyway , sorry about the mix-up.
DeleteYes hopefully Anne made it safely. I am remembering that her husband was to travel a few days later, with one of their sons
I’m in Maryland. Lots of last minute glitches after arriving on Wednesday evening.I will write later.. I think they are mostly straightened out. Thank you all for your prayers and moral support. I pray for all of you every night unless I fall asleep too fast! Im trying to decide if I can forgive the people who totally messed this up.maybe ne t werk I’ll stop steaming!
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