The problems with Catholic church music are frequently discussed, not least by Catholic music professionals. I'd like to share a couple of thoughts on the topic.
We've been discussing a recent NCR column by Thomas Reese, SJ. Reese's main topic is the Eucharistic Revival, but he shared a couple of thoughts on the state of Catholic church music:
Liturgical music did experience an explosion of creativity, much of it good but some of it awful. Unlike evangelical Christian megachurches, Catholic parishes tried to do music on the cheap with volunteers and underpaid professionals. The multicultural nature of American Catholicism made it difficult to find music that was acceptable to the variety of age and ethnic groups that make up a parish community.
Perhaps there are people who have attended Evangelical megachurches who would insist that Catholic worship music is better, but if so, I haven't met them yet.
Reese is right that many parishes do try to produce music on the cheap. They employ music leaders who don't have high standards, and who produce music that most people don't find very inspiring or beautiful. Some of these folks try their best, but their best isn't very exceptional. And some, I fear, don't really try their best; they settle for "good enough" (or not even). Settling for "good enough" isn't the exclusive province of Catholic music; we also settle for it in our preaching, proclamation of the word, worship hospitality, and other aspects of worship.
There are other barriers to making good music in Catholic parishes: for example, the church's acoustics may be poor. Or the church building's layout may hinder more than help - as in those places with a cantor standing in the front at the lectern, while the accompanying organist is in the back and upstairs in the loft - in some cases, nearly a full city block away. That isn't an ideal physical arrangement.
But while these factors are real and important, there is another reason, too. The way we make music in Catholic churches is intentional, and based on a particular philosophy of music-making.
When the 2nd Vatican Council decreed a reform of Catholic liturgy, it set this as its guiding principle:
14. Mother Church earnestly desires that all the faithful should be led to that fully conscious, and active participation in liturgical celebrations which is demanded by the very nature of the liturgy. Such participation by the Christian people as "a chosen race, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a redeemed people (1 Pet. 2:9; cf. 2:4-5), is their right and duty by reason of their baptism.
In the restoration and promotion of the sacred liturgy, this full and active participation by all the people is the aim to be considered before all else; for it is the primary and indispensable source from which the faithful are to derive the true Christian spirit
That conciliar document, the Constitution on Sacred Liturgy, included an entire chapter on liturgical music. That chapter called for many things, not all of which (such as the preservation of the church's treasury of sacred music, especially Gregorian chant and polyphany) have been diligently observed in the post-conciliar church. But that chapter also includes instructions such as these:
pastors of souls must be at pains to ensure that, whenever the sacred action is to be celebrated with song, the whole body of the faithful may be able to contribute that active participation which is rightly theirs (no. 114)...
118. Religious singing by the people is to be intelligently fostered so that in devotions and sacred exercises, as also during liturgical services, the voices of the faithful may ring out according to the norms and requirements of the rubrics.
119. In certain parts of the world, especially mission lands, there are peoples who have their own musical traditions, and these play a great part in their religious and social life. For this reason due importance is to be attached to their music, and a suitable place is to be given to it, not only in forming their attitude toward religion, but also in adapting worship to their native genius
What the liturgical music powers-that-be have taken away from passages such as this might be enumerated as the following principles of Catholic worship music:
- Everyone should sing everything
- People's music traditions should be incorporated into the liturgy
All of these streams of tradition, and then-current events, influenced the shape of Catholic post-conciliar music. But another way of taking part in popular singing was taking shape, and it seems to me that this other way is what the Evangelical megachurches have latched on to.
As I think of it, the heart of this other model is a person driving in his or her car, with the radio turned on, singing along when a song s/he likes is played. In the 1960s, it was The Beatles. In the 1970s, it was Elton John and James Taylor. In the 1980s, Bruce Springsteen and the Talking Heads. In the 1990s, Whitney Houston and Mariah Carey. It has been other artists in the ensuing decades.
The driver doesn't have to be alone; it could be a car full of friends, all singing along. (cf a great, funny scene in the film "Wayne's World", with four young men singing along to Queen's "Bohemian Rhapsody".)
This mass-marketed pop music has become, as the FM radio stations used to claim, "the soundtrack of our lives". It was omnipresent: in our homes, our cars, public spaces like shopping malls. It's the music that soaked into our subconscious as we lived our lives.
Even though we all sing along to popular songs we like, most of those songs weren't really written to be sung along to. They were composed for a particular brand-name artist to perform. The recordings, which became the baseline, definitive versions, were intended to be sold in mass quantities. The concert performances were high-priced spectacles. These songs were recorded and performed by highly skilled professionals and professionally produced. But this music wasn't really "the people's music"; people didn't sing them at Fourth of July gatherings. They were for people to consume, not take as their own.
If this mass-marketed music paradigm was in cultural competition with the popular-singing paradigm which took root in Catholic parishes, then mass-marketed music won the competition in a rout. It was not even close. Unless they go to Catholic churches, the singing-along-to-slickly-produced-and-marketed-songs model of musical participation is all people know these days.
From what I'm able to tell, this style of music is what the Evangelical megachurches have glommed onto. So they employ rock bands with lots of electronic instruments and amplifiers. They don't give us 16-measure hymns; they give us power ballads with a "hook" we can all sing along to. But the rest of the song, the parts that aren't the hook, are performed, in an emotive style, by one or more highly skilled and professional singers, accompanied by a highly skilled band.
This music is so well-produced that it has spawned its own lucrative industry. Christian Contemporary is an important category in pop music. The top-flight bands and performers sell out large arenas.
This model, so far, hasn't seemed to lend itself very well to Catholic parishes. It doesn't seem to fit our notions of liturgical worship, which call for ritual dialogue and ancient prayers and psalms. To be sure, music in a more contemporary, pop style has found its way into Catholic worship. But it's still played by the same organists and volunteer acoustic guitarists. It's still led by the same volunteer cantors. And it's still crafted for everyone to sing the entire refrain, or the entire song.
This, I think, is the main reason people are so dissatisfied with Catholic music: it doesn't conform with the soundtrack of our lives.
You might be onto something about the demise of group singing. I remember being an enthusiastic singer in elementary school, in my Unitarian Sunday School, Girl Scouts, and in high school. My grandmother had a piano and always roped everyone into singing Christmas carols.
ReplyDeleteWe had music in elementary school once a week, but it was elective after 6th grade. I quit singing and listening to music by the time I was 30. I let the choir sing in the Episcopal Church. And the local parish has sub-par talent.
I never sang to The Boy as a baby. There were songs on his little TV programs. He once asked me if I even knew any songs because I never sang, so I got him some CDs.
I think music is kind of a habit. If you don't use it, you lose it.
"This model, so far, hasn't seemed to lend itself very well to Catholic parishes. It doesn't seem to fit our notions of liturgical worship, which call for ritual dialogue and ancient prayers and psalms."
ReplyDeleteI think you are correct. And I think it's not a bad thing that we don't do music like a megachurch. Not that we can't improve. But I think we're better off trying to do it our way, than trying to copy a model that doesn't really work for us.
Do you think if the Church can hit on the right musical strategy that is in line with Catholic tradition that you can get people to sing?
DeleteThat would be nice. But I doubt it will happen.
The Episcopalians were fighting over "new music" for the 20 years I was in their outfit, and singing was not enthusiastic.
Catholics seem to be embroiled in something similar with a new layer of "authentically Catholic" folks who want to purge the liturgy of all "anti-Catholic" music, as the current priest puts it.
There is often quite a scold-y tone that liturgists and pastors take about your obligation to sing out.
If, as Jim suggests, group singing in public is now uncommon and perhaps hesitant and embarassed, nothing is going to make people resent whatever music is on offer more than being told they have to make a joyful noise whether they're joyful or not.
Jack has often seemed to advocate supplementing faith formation with teaching about music. Catholic music was not discussed in RCIA, so I can plead ignorance, but I bet you'd get some blank stares from cradle Catholics if you asked, Why do we have to sing at Mass?
The indifference to music by the laity is symptomatic of larger catechetical problems perhaps?
I don't know, we seem to get some decent singing out of people when we have songs that they know and like. Our choir group is open to getting requests from people for songs that they'd like to hear, that have meaning for them. For congregational singing we stipulate that it has to be in the music edition that's in the pews, so that people have the words. Haven't heard anyone talk about anti Catholic music; if it's in the music edition, which has about 800 selections, by definition it's been vetted for acceptable content.
DeleteI do recall in the years directly after Vatican II there were a few "music bullies" either priests or lay music leaders who tried to scold people into singing. It didn't work. You can lead a horse to water...but they have to want to drink.
A thought. It occurred to me that maybe congregational singing never caught on in Catholic churches because Catholics were always an audience at mass before Vatican II changes were implemented. Catholics watched the action on the altar with the priest and altar boys, whose backs were to the congregation, and listened to a choir. They either said the rosary, read their Latin-English missal, daydreamed or slept. They were trained to be an audience - not participants. I would have thought that enough time has passed since then to have finished off that particular feature of Catholic worship, but perhaps not. Many of the people in their 80s and up never adjusted to the changes. The boomers like my cohort and younger mostly did, but many have left the RCC during the last 30:years and it wasn’t because of the music., But then the young trads came along, wanting the Latin mass and all the accoutrements, not really interested in participating, preferring to watch the liturgical theater on the altar and listen to a choir sing classical church music by Mozart or Hayden etc.
DeleteWhat is anti- Catholic music? Amazing grace? A Mighty Fortress is our God?
Yes, the current priest has banned both of those from Mass, plus anything brought into the hymnal from Anglicans, Lutherans, Methodists, whatever. He says people can enjoy singing them on their own outside of Mass.
DeleteI can't argue with success. This guy has all four masses in both parishes jam packed.
If the Church is going to revitalize itself, I suspect it needs to stop trying to lure in the fallen away like me, nitpicking and talking fruitlessly to myself in the Outer Darkness. The people ready to fork over their money, their time, and their kids for instruction want unambiguous teachings and a strong, even militant, sense of identity. They feel that trying to empathize with homosexuals, transexuals, pro-abortionists, feminists, divorcees, etc. has not brought in more people or encouraged the fallen away to come back. In fact trying to make nice has only watered down traditional Catholic teaching.
I think they have a point, and in a way, it is a relief to know once and for all that I have no business there.
Well, the pattern is self- selection these days. The more traditional types seek out parishes that are more 1950s, bypassing parishes that might be closer, or too progressive, giving the impression that they are more ‘successful “. In the olden days, Catholics were supposed to register at the parish their neighborhood was assigned to. But now parish shopping is the norm. Based on my online visits to the local Catholic parishes around here, most have become more 1950s even without Latin masses. This makes it harder for the progressive Catholics because they now have to travel pretty far to find a parish where they feel comfortable. I’m guessing many drop out of weekly attendance and join the Christmas -Easter Catholics. We don’t live in the cornfields, but in a heavily populated suburb, and I have also noted that the size (number of registered families) of the congregations of our two former parishes, now very EWTNish, are down by 30-45% since we were there. The parish where we were for 30 years is actually down almost 50%, even though they now have a school to attract families to the parish. I moved us to another parish after 30 years because of the assignment of the first JPII/Benedict pastor. I spent most of the time during and after homilies arguing with him in my head, which was not conducive to spiritual enrichment so changed parishes. The current pastor is also pretty conservative from what I can tell. I left the second parish when I realized it was hypocritical to stay, given my dissent from so many Catholic teachings (including transsubstantiation, which is apparently being buried these days). I liked the pastor there - a Vatican II pastor. He retired soon after I left. Now they are apparently another EWTN/Barron/Bible studies by Jeff Cavins, a convert from evangelical Christianity parish with a rather fundamentalist approach, due to his background.
DeleteWe are looking for a new church home after several years. Our EC parish pastor retired. The first interim was a disaster. Then came Covid. Now there is a new rector and we don’t think we can put up with 90 minute liturgies. A former rector was a great homilist. The new one isn’t - long, repetitive homilies. He’s a convert from his upbringing as a Roman Catholic. He probably doesn’t keep up with Pope Francis, but he would do well to heed Francis on keeping homilies to 10 minutes! We’ve ruled out another nearby EC parish. Still considering a third. Looking at Catholic parishes too. The only two I think I could handle are the Jesuit parish in DC - Georgetown - and a Franciscan parish that is also a pretty long trek for Sunday mornings. Of course the Virginia suburb Catholics have been trekking to Georgetown for years because their diocese (Arlington) is only slightly less conservative than the notorious Nebraska diocese that Katherine once lived in. Our part of Maryland is Archdiocese of DC. I would refrain from communion if attending either of them, but their Catholic vision is much more Francis than most priests and bishops these days and they have many social justice ministries that appeal to me. If we can’t find a new EC parish we’ll probably try the Jesuits because they also have Jesuit spiritual programs, and also Christian meditation, although it’s John Main rather than Keating. I prefer Keating. If anyone is interested, there is a good explanation of the differences here
https://www.contemplativeoutreach.org/2020/06/19/the-difference-between-centering-prayer-and-dom-john-mains-christian-meditation/
But we might just remain unchurched.
Coincidentally I attended a Protestant funeral yesterday, it was for the father of my sister-in-law. It was definitely not a megachurch. It was at a venerable historic Congregational (UCC) church in Lincoln. Beautiful pipe organ. Traditional decor, but not one single image, cross, or stained glass window. I think that is kind of from their Puritan roots. It was well maintained and seemed to have a sizeable congregation. I think it is a mistake to write off the mainline Protestant tradition, they haven't all gone to the megachurch model.
ReplyDeleteOf course they have a different liturgy than Catholics, but the Scripture readings and music selections could easily have been for one of our funerals.
My husband grew up in a Congregational church, now UCC. Apparently they had wonderful music. He sang in the choir in high school, as did his sister. I’m quite sure that they would never think of having a band on a stage, complete with changing lighting in various pastels, big screens, and definitely not a fog machine - all of which I’ve seen in mega church broadcasts and some of which I’ve seen in ordinary, normal sized evangelical churches. Definitely not my cup of tea! My husband’s Congregational church was still giving evening concerts open to the public a couple of times/year before Covid that were very popular because of the high quality of the music. Of course, the people were there as an audience - not part of a church service, so they weren’t expected to sing! I don’t remember if the church, a beautiful, traditional church, has a cross or other decor. My husband’s parents were members there until they died, so we went there occasionally. My husband told me that when he was going there they had communion twice/month with bread and individual cups of grape juice.I don’t think it was wine. I’ll ask him when he gets back and correct if needed. While on vacation once we visited a Congregational church on Cape Cod that was the first ever established there - late 17th century. One of his direct line ancestors was one of the church’s early ministers, in the early 1700s. The church did have a cross - quite unusual, modern, that I took a photo of. I don’t remember if there was also an old cross in the church., Since I prefer simplicity in liturgy and church architecture (but usually classic architecture) I never miss statues or stained glass if not there. I usually don’t notice those things except at the opposite extreme, in churches with garishly painted statues all over the place along with a lot of gold gilt and elaborate altars, and maybe a giant crucifix. Sometimes with a bleeding Jesus. The Mother Theresa nuns in DC have one of those in their chapel in DC - a life sized, bloody Jesus on a crucifix. A cross rather than any kind of crucifix is fine with me.
DeleteOne piece of art this church did have was a hanging of the Lord's Prayer in pewter colored metal. I noticed that the ceiling was a deep blue with gold stars. Which is actually what our cathedral ceiling on Omaha looks like.
DeleteCongregational churches often reflect the design tendencies of their Puritan ancestry: no "graven images," abstract designs in stained glass (if any), no decor that would distract from the glory of God. Austere by Catholic standards. Most have a cross over the altar, but no corpus. Our Unitarian church, cousin to the Congregationalists, was very stripped down. No cross, but always flowers or some other object of contemplation on the altar that fit the sermon or speaker. The Church Ladies were quite creative and sometimes a little flamboyant in these altar decorations. Somebody came in to talk about Fr Damien of the lepers one time, and there were pineapples, coconuts, and some big tropical flowers and palm fronds laid out. The pineapples were cut and eaten after the service. First time I had pineapple that wasn't in a can.
DeleteCreative church ladies!
DeleteInteresting that the topic was Fr. Damien.
DeleteWe learned about holy people in many different faiths. I expect that's where my interest in the saints comes in.
DeleteThe Unitarian Church Ladies were generally bossy and officious just like every other place. In retrospect, the fun Hawaiian theme was a little at odds with the talk. Fr Damien's mission was very grim and not without controversy.
About that contest for a winning hymn for the Eucharistic revival that Anne referenced in the previous thread
ReplyDelete(https://www.americamagazine.org/faith/2023/02/03/bishops-eucharistic-revival-competition-244626)
Conceivably different people could write the lyrics and compose the music. Because poetry and music are two different skill sets.
I'll set the bar low; both the words and tune have to be better than "The Summons", which has tongue twister words and a "meh" tune. ( Sorry if that song is anyone's fave!)
We'll see what kind (and quality) of fruit the contest produces. One of Reese's astute points is that the American church spans different generations, languages and cultures.
DeleteWhat I've seen before from this sort of thing: there would be two winners: one in a more organ-based, "classical hymn" style, and one in a more "contemporary" style. It would almost seem malpractice if at least one of the winners doesn't have Spanish lyrics.
Katherine, I think you mentioned somewhere that "Gift of Finest Wheat" was a commissioned piece for a Eucharistic congress. (Philadelphia? My octavos are in another room.) Maybe there are other church songs that were commissioned that have become commonly used. I've been involved in a couple of events over the years that introduced a commissioned work - one by Michael Joncas, one by Marty Haugen. Both were pretty good, but from what I can tell, they never reached "popular" status.
About Michael Joncas, he has a pretty wide repertoire. He composed the music for Kumbaya (which was from an African folk tune), a pretty simple seventies hymn. But the latest song of his that I am familiar with is Cantate Dominum. Our community Catholic parishes had a welcoming event for Archbishop Lucas when he came on board. Cantate Dominum was the entrance hymn for the Mass. Part in English, part in Latin, with full choir, and brass and organ. I don't know if that was the song you were talking about, but easy to see that it might be too challenging for regular use. But I thought it was great, was fun to sing.
DeleteCantate Domino (not Dominum): https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Ad2TflHdwl8
DeleteMaybe too complicated and/or fast paced for the untrained singers, but a great composition to listen to.
DeleteKatherine, that Cantate Domino piece is interesting - had not heard that before. I agree it's a "big event" piece.
DeleteThis is the Michael Joncas piece I mentioned: "I Will Go Up". Also a "big event" piece. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=59MbBWsn19I
FYI - In both high school and college, I sang in choirs which sang this Cantate Domino motet by Pitoni.
Sorry forgot to the link to Cantate Domino, here it is: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oudkfwwrZq0
DeleteI Will Go Up is a beautiful piece, I had not heard it before. It looks on the youtube link as if it is part of a Mass by Michael Joncas; I'm guessing maybe the entrance hymn? It reminds me of the entrance antiphon of the pre-Vatican II Mass; "Introibo ad altare Dei, and the response, Ad Deum qui laetificat juventutem meam. "I will go up to the altar of God. To God who gives joy to my youth".
DeleteI love the Pitoni piece. We sang it in high school too. I think my school sang it for district contest one time. You know you're from western Nebraska if the high school music director has to draft enough parents to carpool kids 175 miles to district contest.
Katherine, yes, exactly: "I Will Go Up" was composed as an entrance song, and it intentionally referenced the pre-Vatican II mass - Psalms 42-43, if I'm not mistaken. I learned it at an event in Chicago some 35 or so years ago (for which, if I'm not mistaken, the piece was commissioned). The event's purpose was to achieve a "blending of the musical traditions". The basic idea was: a common practice in those days was to have an "upstairs mass" in the church with organ accompaniment, and then have a "downstairs mass" in the parish hall, with guitar accompaniment - basically, a guitar mass singing the Glory and Praise material. This event, which took place in Chicago's Holy Name Cathedral, was to try to achieve a sort of fusion of the styles. A worthy goal. Essentially, it was a mass that showcased how the styles could be mixed effectively. As I recall, we sang the Mass of Creation for the Eucharistic Acclamations, which also can be done with just guitars, or can scale up to organ, brass, strings et al. Church choirs from across the archdiocese were invited to sing in the choir. There were so many of us that we filled all the pews in the front half of the church.
DeleteA Protestant view on why people aren’t singing as much as they did. Reasons #1-3 are definitely on target. But the RCC perhaps does need to be careful about following the evangelical model . Reason #5 reflects my earlier comment that Catholics were essentially an audience in the pre-Vatican II mass. Thief were spectators. This article implies that this is happening in the Protestant world as well.
ReplyDeletehttps://www.renewingworshipnc.org/nine-reasons-people-arent-singing-in-worship/
Anne, that is a really good article. Very much applies to Catholics too. We need to pay attention especially to this thought, "...we are breeding a culture of spectators in our churches." The pandemic made that worse, The livestreaming of worship services was a good thing in itself, because it was an outreach to people who were not able to gather in person. But when you're watching tv you actually are a spectator. And when people attending in person don't put anything of themselves into worship, they're spectators too.
DeleteGood article, Jim. An interesting thesis!
ReplyDeleteI particularly liked the phrase “soundtrack of our lives.” I had not heard that before. Turns out that Dick Clark is credited with originating the phrase.
The reality is that the “soundtrack of our lives” has been there since radio began to dominate our lives in the period from the late 20’s through the early 50’s. Personal singing in locations other than the church began to dry up long before the 60’s.
The reality is that an hour or two of church music on Sunday morning has little or no chance of competing with the soundtrack of our lives that is present 24/7.
The Evangelicals were right when they decided that they had to find ways to co-op the “soundtrack of our lives” in order reach and maintain people.
The enculturation that is required by Vatican II (and common sense) is to become a virtual as well as a physical church. We Catholics actually have far more resources that the Evangelicals for such an endeavor.
My alternative view in response to this article will be given in a future post in a few days or maybe a week. I’ve been doing my research. Remember I was there when the liturgy changed from Latin to English, actually on the front lines.
Jack, many thanks. Regarding this:
Delete"The reality is that the “soundtrack of our lives” has been there since radio began to dominate our lives in the period from the late 20’s through the early 50’s. Personal singing in locations other than the church began to dry up long before the 60’s."
...if I'm not mistaken, those decades of the 20s through the 50s is when social capital in the US (per Robert D Putnam) ascended to its peak. And the 60s, with the mass distribution of televisions, is when it started to decline.
I'm making this connection because it occurs to me that communal singing requires a modicum of solidarity. And I'm sure it also builds solidarity. I've probably mentioned this before: I think we're in a "solidarity drought" in the US.
Excellent article, Anne! My comments:
ReplyDelete1. THEY DON’T KNOW THE SONGS. Agreed this is the biggest reason. You have to start with songs that most of the people know and love. There are ways to gradually create a parish culture in which people know and love most of the hymns.
2. WE ARE SINGING SONGS NOT SUITABLE FOR CONGREGATIONAL SINGING.
3. WE ARE SINGING IN KEYS TOO HIGH FOR THE AVERAGE SINGER
Yes, but not all songs have to be sung by the congregation. #1, #2 and #3 happen because music ministry often serves the needs of music ministers rather the people. We can find ways to meet their needs without putting them into the driver’s seat.
4. THE CONGREGATION CAN’T HEAR PEOPLE AROUND THEM SINGING.
This happens most often because the people around them are
not singing, but it can happen because of both poor acoustics and poor sound systems.
5. WE HAVE CREATED WORSHIP SERVICES WHICH ARE SPECTATOR EVENTS, BUILDING A PERFORMANCE ENVIRONMENT.
Yes, but it does not have to be that way. I have experienced worship in which a great choir sang for the people and give a great performance, then invited all people to join them in a song which everyone knew. The result was so awesome that the choir director was simply amazed.
A sound produced by all the people in a space in which 100 percent are producing sound and 100 percent are absorbing sound is awesome in comparison to when only 50% or 25% are producing sound but 100% are still absorbing sound.
6. THE CONGREGATION FEELS THEY ARE NOT EXPECTED TO SING.
Yes, but it does not help to berate them. One choir director once lectured his congregation that they should all sing as they do at a birthday party regardless of how good they are. I responded that when he gives us hymns that everyone knows they may well sing.
7. WE FAIL TO HAVE A COMMON BODY OF HYMNODY.
Yes, it is best to sing the same hymns at the same point of the liturgical year every year. Some Catholic Churches have created excellent Holy Week services and stuck with them year after year. That is what is needed.
8. WORSHIP LEADERS AD LIB TOO MUCH.
One can have strong congregation singing that is enhanced by descants from individual cantors that do not mislead the congregation.
9. WORSHIP LEADERS ARE NOT CONNECTING WITH THE CONGREGATION
Worship leaders have to listen to the whole congregation not just those who agree or disagree with them. When the congregation disagrees, worship leaders have to figure out ways to serve everyone not just ignore issues.
That was a pretty interesting article. Intentionally or not, the author is espousing a pretty good Vatican II sensibility: he wants the people to sing, and he's exhorting leaders of sung worship to create an environment that enables and supports the people's singing.
DeleteIf the supposition in my original post is right, then the element he doesn't address in the article is that the people *want* to attend an awesome performance. They'd rather listen and react than sing. Our culture has trained us to do that. I referred to it in the post as "consuming" - essentially, as a form of consumerism. But perhaps that doesn't do justice to the spirituality of being moved by a splendid performance.
I understand that some Evangelical megachurches use business techniques such as focus groups to determine what "works" in their worship and their pastoral ministry. Those churches which have been committing the excesses the author highlights, such as programming new songs which are difficult to sing (but not too difficult for their professional praise bands to execute well) - I'm pretty sure that's intentional. That is what they are giving their people because the people are telling the pastors that's what they want.
During the lockdown an evangelical friend and also my evangelical brother in law, sent links to their churches virtual services. I just looked at the Facebook page of one of the churches - Bay Ridge Christian Church. Anyone can see the cover photo without being on Facebook. Somehow I can’t imagine this in a Catholic Church, but it is fairly typical of evangelical churches that have enough people and $ to buy the fancy screens, sound systems, and lighting ( which can change colors - I’ve seen it in this church) .
ReplyDeletehttps://www.facebook.com/photo/?fbid=321132396793160&set=a.203276248578776
Not can I Marine this type of music in a Catholic Church either for that matter.
DeleteImagine….
DeleteWow, that's different.
DeleteMy brother in laws church is similar, but apparently a less wealthy congregation, so not quite as elaborate. No purple and blue lights. Bay Ridges lighting has multiple colors available, not just the blues and purple in this photo. Reminds me a bit of a discotheques of years gone by.. When some suggest emulating the evangelicals to get people to sing, perhaps they should be careful what they wish for.
DeleteThat Bay Ridge photo is pretty interesting. A few things that I noticed:
Delete* That is a lot of space for the musicians! Clearly, the worship area was designed with the idea that music is one of the chief elements of the worship experience. Essentially, it's an elevated stage. Not sure if the pastor/preacher shares that space with the musicians, or if he has his own "sanctuary". By contrast, many/most Catholic churches don't offer nearly that much space for musicians (at least in the front of the church). Many of our parishes have churches with a sort of pre-Vatican-II design, with an upstairs choir loft in the back. A lot of those parishes have tried to retrofit the choir, cantors, and instrumentalists into other space at the front of the church - they've "stolen" some sanctuary space, or taken over space formerly used as a side altar, or they've removed some pews over to the side to make room. And typically, these spaces, whether they're in the front or the back, are designed for choirs, not praise bands.
* The musicians look like average parishioners, but they're dressed pretty casually, aren't they? Maybe that's not unusual in Catholic churches, either. I'm fine with casual dress in church. But most of our choir members are at least a little bit dressier than the musicians in that photo when they show up for choir on a Sunday. I don't doubt that "dressing down" is part of the hip Evangelical ethos.
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Interesting observations Jim. The church building was completed sometime during the last 5 years. They previously met in a prefab warehouse type building. Our friends joined early on - when they met in the warehouse. The husband especially likes the pastor. He says he’s a great scripture scholar and that he gives great Sunday teachings. I started watching one - it was good for a while but became repetitive, probably because it was about 45 minutes. I fast forwarded to the end to see how long after I tired of watching. .I don’t know if that is typical, But I suspect it is. The pastor of a Baptist church I once went to also spoke for about 45 minutes. I don’t think it’s called a homily, but don’t know. They raised the $ and built the church in record time i think. The church is in Annapolis MD in an upscale, suburban area. I’m quite sure that the design took musicians into account - the praise band. I don’t know that they have a choir - there are song leaders on the stage with the band, or as part of the band, and the people sing, often standing and waving their arms around over their heads. The pastor uses the same stage and dresses very casually. But I don’t think he appears in baggy basketball shorts! If you have FB you can search for the church’s FB page and see more photos and videos. The church community seems fairly active. The Pastor also posts talks during the week on special subjects - called After Hours and he has a catechism that is uploaded that he teaches also online. Some of the elders also give talks or testimonies during the services. All in all, very different. I did see one photo where the pastor is standing behind a small table on the stage with what appear to be bread and wine. I’ll have to ask our friends about that.
DeleteOur church was built in 1917 and has a choir loft. There is literally no room to retrofit a music space downstairs. The choir groups like the loft, we don't like to be in front. The focus isn't supposed to be on us anyway. Trouble is, many of us are getting older. We'll see what gives out first, our voices, or our knees for getting up those steep twisty stairs. The acoustics of our building are good, though. We have mics, but have to be careful because whispers and low talking can be heard downstairs.
DeleteI believe the 45 minute Protestant addresses are properly called sermons rather than homilies
It is interesting that Pope Francis said that homilies shouldn't be more than 10 minutes. Also interesting that he said the homily is a sacramental. He called the longer sermons conferences. Maybe that is Jesuit-speak.
Baptists run a wide gamut of worship spaces. Some look like Congregational churches with altars. Some look like concert venues.
DeleteThe Amish have their services in someone's home. Raber's grandmother's funeral was in her daughter's house. Everybody wore their best black, which is pretty much the custom for church.
The sermon went on for over two hours with three elders tag teaming each other. It was all in German, but seemed to be a recitation of the history of their arrival in the US, thankfulness for freedom of religion, the sinfulness of human kind, some anecdotes (by male relatives only) about Mutti that illustrated how a virtuous woman is to live life (uncomplaining, many children, obedience to the Ordnung), the Lord's Prayer, and "the last look," where a small door is opened in the coffin as people filed past.
The women passed around bologna sandwiches and Kool-Aid afterwards.
The men repaired to the barn where there was booze and smoking.
It was pretty much a trip to the 19th century.
Informality and sermons. I found it amazing that some Catholic object to priestly vestments as signs of clericalism. I think long sermons are the ultimate in clericalism. Essentially in many Evangelical churches everything really is a setting for the sermon. They often do not have regular cycles of readings to rein in the pastor's topics.
DeleteThis is a Bay Christian service about ninety minutes long:
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The beginning is the praise band from 4 to 26 minutes in, then witnessing and announcements
Then a long sermon (the teaching as they call it, so it is a conference) from 35 to 1hr 20 minutes
Finally, a brief Eucharist at the end 1hr, 25 minutes, done verbatim according to Scripture,
I scanned through this but would go to sleep once the music ended if I tried to watch it. I have trouble with even ten-minute homilies.
We went to a 90 minute long megachurch Evangelical service when we visited relatives in California. To be polite I said to one relative that it was a nice service. She replied that "...all of Pastor Chuck's sermons are available on CD if you'd like a copy!" I replied something to the effect of, "thanks, but we are trying to travel light". Sitting through the sermon once was enough!
DeleteJean, that's interesting about the Amish funeral. About all I know about the Amish is from seeing that movie "Witness" with Harrison Ford. We do have some Amish women in the area who come to our farmers market to sell baked goods. They do make very good bread.
DeleteJack have trouble with even ten-minute homilies
DeleteSo do I. So if we can’t find a new EC parish, I will join the Jesuit parish in Georgetown and attend one weekday mass as often as possible. No Sundays. The homilies there on weekdays are very short and to the point - about 5-7 minutes. They were memorable. I never went to sleep or had my mind wander when I went there for weekday mass when I was downtown regularly.
Episcopalians don't give long homilies, either. One of our priests used to pack in quite a lot in a few minutes--historical/cultural co text + the "why should I care?" nugget. Another used the homily to support his contention that God loves us and wants to be our friend. Both were appealing in different ways.
DeleteBut I get pretty English teacher-y about pastors whose composition skills and delivery are poor. A short homily is not an excuse to ramble around a vague theme for 10 minutes or speak only to your in-crowd. People feel disrespected when you waste their time.
If you only have 10 minutes (that's 5 double-spaced typed pages, max), for God's sake, have a thesis and three or four points that support it.
Use metaphors appropriate to your audience (this would not include cars, sports, and popular culture references).
Pronounce and use words correctly, and avoid slang.
Maintain a tone in keeping with the reading. This usually precludes jokes or long anecdotes about yourself.
Remember your high school concluding techniques--summary, call to action, for further exploration.
Whew! Guess that prescriptive old battle axe is still alive in there even five years after retirement!
Jean, perhaps you should offer an online homiletics course - millions in the pews would thank you!
DeleteThe trouble with the new EC rector is that he rambles on and on for 25 minutes or more. The entire liturgy lasts 90 minutes. Way too long! I blame it on that fact that he was RC for the first 20- something years of his life. ;)
After reading Jean's homily prescriptions I feel convicted, although not in the Evangelical sense!
DeleteRe: Jean's mention of the perils of pop-culture references in homilies: one of my (pretty wonderful) pastor's little quirks is, when we are doing mass together, there are certain points during the mass when he will make sotto voce remarks to me, e.g. while we are waiting for the reader to walk forward to the ambo for the first reading. He'll lean over in his chair and is apt to say anything from, "Don't forget to announce the bake sale" to "are you feeling okay today? You look a little tired" to "Isn't this great weather today?"
DeleteAnother one of those remark-ful moments is while we are waiting for the Extraordinary Ministers of Communion to come forward. This past Sunday, he heard my homily twice. I made some pop-culture references to superheroes: Spiderman, Superman et al. So while we were standing by the altar, he asked me, "Hey, Deak, who is Toby Stark?" I said "Huh?" He said, "Toby Stark - you mentioned him in your homily? Is he a celebrity?" I replied, "Oh, that's Tony Stark. He's a comic book character. He's Iron Man". He looked blank. I told him, "I guess you're not into the Marvel Cinematic Universe". Even someone as casually into cinema as me is aware that Marvel films have been the 900 lb beast in popular films for the last decade or more. But apparently, the trend has passed him by completely. No blame to him - if he's not into them, he's not. I've probably seen the first Iron Man film (one of the Marvel outfit's better efforts, at least the first 2/3 of it) 8-10 times - it's always on television in the evenings. But to Jean's point, those references will go right past people.
Re pop culture: I was thinking more about homilies and sermons that use pop culture references like little high-fives to a small in-group. One of our supply Episcopal priests who was in community theater worked in references to Felix Unger, the character he played in The Odd Couple, and other theater references as a shout out to his theater people.
DeleteJim, I guess I’m even more not into movies than you since I was not aware of Marvel comic superheroes other than Superman and Spider-Man. I had never heard of Ironman, which you say you have seen 8-10 times. Maybe your pastor is as old as I am.
DeleteAnne, re: Iron Man: according to Wikipedia, he first appeared in a comic book in 1963 and had his first title comic book in 1968, so he'd been around a while. It's just that comic books were a little niche market for nerds and collectors until Marvel Comics started producing films. Now Disney owns Marvel and its considered one of the marquee nameplates in the Disney portfolio.
DeleteYour sons might be able to fill you in on some of the Marvel characters. Or perhaps they lead sensible lives, too.
Btw, Superman is a character from Marvel's archrival, DC Comics. I understand there are people out there who would try to cancel you for making that gaffe :-)
I wasn’t interested in comic books growing up. My brothers weren’t either. But Superman was in the newspaper comics and maybe a TV series in the 50s or 60s?
DeleteI suppose one of the pitfalls of pop culture references in homilies is that they target different age demographics.So the older folk won’t get references to current pop culture and younger folk won’t get references that the older people catch.
DeleteOur Young People don't know about Liberace, the Marx brothers, Ed Sullivan, or A Hard Day's Night (unless, like The Boy, they were raised by ancient parents, who describe us to his friends as "kind of like aging hippies," an animal they have heard of). Avoid these references in youth sermons.
DeleteIt is always safe to assume a Marvel hero movie is either under production or has been released at any given time. It is also safe to assume that the stars of these movies will have bodies to die for crammed into colorful Spandex jump suits, and impossibly perfect hair. Just like Jesus ...
DeleteApologies to Jim. That last maybe sounded more snarky than humorous. I realize he wasn't trying to reduce Jesus to a super hero in his homily. Some days I should not be allowed internet access.
DeleteHey Jean, no need to apologize, I enjoyed that comment. I once read a film critic who isn't a big fan of the Marvel films who wrote something along the lines of, "Never in the history of film have actors with such great bodies had so little sex", or something along those lines. It's kind of true: any romantic relationships in those films are definitely secondary or tertiary of even fourth-iary plot lines. They're all about cartoon good and cartoon evil beating up on each other.
DeleteI think it's because those movies are for tweenage boys.
DeleteOff topic: Hoping Jack and Stanley are not affected by the train derailment on the OH/PA border. Anyone interested in assisting evacuees can check out info here: https://www.wkbn.com/news/local-news/east-palestine-train-derailment/help-available-for-east-palestine-evacuees/
ReplyDeleteAlso: St Joseph the Worker in Marrero, LA, has a wellness program that I heard about on NPR. They help screen and monitor people with heart disease. A list of St Joseph's ministries is here. Pretty sure they would not turn down donations: https://www.stjworker.church/ministries/
Thanks for the concern, Jean. I'm OK. I'm on the eastern side in the Stroudsburg area, near the PA/NJ border.
DeleteHopefully the chem cloud will dissipate quickly, and the trench they dug to burn off some of the vinyl chloride will prevent too much ground leeching.
DeleteAfter the EPA was passed, Dow had to report unexpected effluence events, which were always characterized as "puff releases." Sounded like a harmless little air kiss.
But you could see white clouds of chemical smelling vapors chugging out of the stacks at regular intervals, the expected affluence off-gassing, I guess. But, of course, that was offset by the convenience afforded by Scrubbing Bubbles and Saran Wrap!
Yikes, I hadn't heard about the derailment. Prayers for those affected, and that the environmental damage will be contained.
DeleteWeird that everyone is all worked up about the Chinese balloon, while the derailment is a much worse scenario.
Yes, that occurred to me, too, Katherine. Five thousand people told to evacuate at a moment's notice.
DeleteThe train derailment is about a hundred miles, mostly south but slightly to the east of our home. Not much chance of anything drifting in our direction. Thanks for your concern.
DeleteThe derailment is awful. Do we have more of those than European countries ? Or do we just not hear about them?
DeleteThe earthquake in Turkey and Syria is horrendous. I grew up in an earthquake zone. I have experienced earthquakes a number of times, but usually far from the epicenter of the really strong ones. However there were several very strong earthquakes while my mom was still alive, but she was always ok. California implemented very strict building codes décades ago, and didn’t allow very tall buildings until earthquake proof construction was developed. Very few have been killed in California earthquakes, even as strong as this one, in the last 40+years. One serious quake near where our son lives now didn’t kill people when the garage in a shopping mall collapsed because it was early on Sunday morning. An apartment building, low rise, did have some deaths. The investigation showed that neither the garage nor the apartment building had been built to code. Unnecessary deaths. Many lawsuits followed of course. The thousands of earthquake deaths in other countries show the value of regulation. Every time there is a massive earthquake tragedy somewhere in the world I think about all the Libertarians and anti- govt regulation Republicans, and am very grateful that there is a lot of regulation on building in California. Why don’t people get that regulations protect them? The transportation of toxic chemicals is another area that needs very strong regulatory oversight.
Prayers for all touched by these recent tragedies.
DeleteThe number killed in the earthquake now exceed 7000. And still going up.
DeleteThese derailments are usually attributed to poor track maintenance which, if properly done, would cut into the large profit margins of the railroad companies. Yes, this is what regulations are all about. So, one softens the regulations and/or underfunds the agency in charge of enforcement.
DeleteSpeaking of toxic clouds, Delillo's novel "White Noise", about a toxic cloud disrupting lives in a college town, was made into a Netflix film of the same name. It was partially filmed in East Palestine, OH. People from the town actually were extras. Now the real thing happened. Welcome to America, a province of the Twilight Zone.
DeleteYikes! Those people must be traumatized. Might explain why a lot of them don't want to go home. I don't care for DeLillo, but thought they did a good job with the movie if you like mean dark satires.
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