The thing I thought at the time was that it was unfair to people whose actual name is Karen, of whom I know several. It was a name popular in the 1950s, kind of like Sandra, or Debbie, or Linda. Of course in Scandinavian countries it has been popular forever, being the Danish form of Catherine. I had a great aunt Karen, born sometime in the 1890s. I never met her in person; she used to send pretty Christmas cards from Denmark.
But lately the "Karen" meme has taken on a darker meaning. It became not only the annoying lady, but the racist one. The woman in NYC who called the cops on an African American bird watcher, who asked her to leash her dog, was called the "Central Park Karen"; even though her name is Amy.
There is also an undercurrent of contempt for women, especially middle aged or older women, in the "Karen" characterization. This article, by Sarah Dittum, a British writer, captures my feeling. From the article:
"It isn't just a bit of fun aimed at entitled women: it's the new "pipe down, love"
"When Karen is used to belittle women, and especially when it’s being used to belittle women for showing solidarity with other women...It’s a finger trap insult, where struggling against it only makes it grip tighter. When its defenders say that there’s no reason to worry about it so long as you’re not a Karen, what they’re really doing is proffering an individual exit from the abuse — so long as you agree that some women deserve it, maybe you can qualify for a pass."
"...In a 1991 essay, the feminist scholar Catharine Mackinnon noted that the phrase "straight white economically-privileged women" had become a kind of "dismissive sneer" ...She flings her hair, feels beautiful all the time, complains about the colored help, tips badly, can’t do anything, doesn’t do anything, doesn’t know anything…” What a Karen."
".... Karens, it is known, lack a sense of humour."
"...Here’s what’s funny. There is no way out of the Karen double bind for women. It’s always there to keep you in line. Even if you embrace it, it’s still hanging over you."
'And one day, maybe you will need to speak to the manager after all. Maybe you’ll want to get a haircut that’s a practical length, but also flatteringly layered! Maybe, God forbid, you’ll want to run for public office like Clinton, Phillips or one of those other Karens."
"The only way to ensure you’re never a Karen is to be forever quiet and compliant. OK Karen?"
UPDATE:
Coincidentally, this article on the America Magazine site, "Hi, my name is Karen. Embarrassed to meet you." popped up in my email feed today.
The author is Karen Park. She had this to say:
"Once, long ago, my parents were newly married and 26 years old. They lived in an apartment in Cleveland. Their first child was born on a dark day in February, and they gave her the prettiest name they could think of. “Karen,” my parents answered when the priest at baptism asked, “What name do you give this child?” Five decades later, the name has come to mean an entitled, racist white woman."
"In my wide circle of friends there are about a half-dozen Karens. One is a third-grade teacher in a low-income public school, one is a L.G.B.T. activist, one is a musician and choir director, one is a philosophy professor, and one is the diversity coordinator for my mid-sized Wisconsin city. All of these women are intelligent, good people. All of them are anti-racists, and not all of them are white. They are each creative and strong in different ways. And none of them named themselves."
"....But in the past year, the name Karen has moved from a meme to an epithet for an entitled person, often a racist. It is a powerful insult. When Amy Cooper, a white woman, called the police on a Black man who had objected to her taking a dog off-leash in Central Park, she was immediately identified by the New York Post as “Central Park ‘Karen.’” There is also “parking lot Karen,” a white woman who blocked a Black family from taking an open parking spot, and “coughing Karen,” who coughed on someone who asked her to wear a mask in a store. None of these women were actually named Karen, nor were the dozens of other examples I could find online, but Karen is now the word used to describe them, and “Karening” has even become a verb."
"...I do not think the term advances the cause of anti-racism. Calling the Kaylas, Amys, Joannes and Kathys whose racism is on display in Twitter videos the generic term “Karen” shames them but also helps to preserve their anonymity. It is also a term for which there is no true male equivalent, notwithstanding the half-hearted use of “Chad” for some entitled men."
"...We respect the names and pronouns of others. But many of us seem to have forgotten that people really are named Karen, and the societal decision to take our name and change its meaning is uncomfortable and disorienting for us."
If you read the article on the America site, take a look at the comments. Sometimes memes hurt real people.
There is, I suppose, an undercurrent of contempt in any gender-specific epithet. I know lots. I like "Bucko" (dumb jock beer drinker) or "Mr. Belvedere" (fuss budgets) for men.
ReplyDeleteSome woman was right behind me in the post office yesterday, not standing on her X or wearing a mask, which is now punishable as a misdemeanor. I *may* have pleasantly said, "Oh, excuse me, Karen, would you like a mask? I have extra."
She just flipped her highlights.
My dad used to refer to me as Miss Florrie if I was being stuck-up or bossy. When my brother was being loud and attention-seeking, he was Fraternity Fred.
DeleteWe always thought this was hilarious. And it was a way to remind us we were getting annoying.
I guess he was an equal opportunity sexist.
The Boy could write a book of Karen stories from the coffee shop. It would be called, "I Want to Speak with Your Manager."
DeleteI'll shut up now.
A sure sign for me that it's sexist is that there is no corresponding "man" meme. Because we've never met any bossy, condescending, or rude men, have we?
ReplyDeleteOops, not shutting up. Too me it's less sexist than pointing out socio-economic divides.
DeleteOkay, maybe also a means of pointing out elitism or privilege. But why does it have to have a name? It's like the incels use Chad or Stacy. Hurtful to people actually having those names.
DeleteGeorge Lopez was talking about Chad and Karen the other night. I thought it was pretty funny in a dark sort of way: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=l1h9ppS1_DY&t=306s
DeleteI can't quite get a handle on what a Karen is. If it's that Cooper lady from Central Park, which aspect of it made her a Karen?
ReplyDeleteMust one be white to be Karen?
As I understand it, a Karen is female, white, annoying, and feels entitled.
DeleteAnd zero baby girls for the next 20 years will be named Karen. Or Corona.
DeleteI think I can tell the difference between a karen (small case) and an assertive mature female. I know mostly the second kind but am acquainted with some of the first. I agree with Jean that it's more of a socioeconomic division thing. One thing one often hears in the karen videos in the haranguing of fast food employees who laid the tacos down backwards is the presentation of education credentials to show their superiority to the mere peasant worker.
ReplyDeleteThe women in this forum are educated through the stratosphere but I can't imagine any of them doing this.
If you want to be sexist, you call her a f***ing bitch, like Rep Yoho did to AOC, but you make sure, when you apologize, that you imply that she accused you of being against Mom, God, and the USA. And then you deny having said it in the first place.
DeleteIs he related to the chocolate drink? I know he's the clown who yelled out "You lie" at Obama from the floor. I hope I'm around in eight years to cast my vote for AOC for president. I don't care if she's an FB as long as she's an FB for the people.
DeleteAOC”s speech in Congress directed at Yoho - and To men in general — is worth watching
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This ABC News site has a longer segment from AOC. She's a pretty effective speaker. She rips Yoho about seven new orifices.
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He comes across as a bully and a thug. I guess that's what his district wants representing them.
I really think that, later this year, the Republicans are going to suffer their worst defeat in decades. It might be an existential moment for the party.
My goodness, Ted Yoho is trying manfully to win the title of Dumbest Man in the House. But he will never succeed as long as Louie Gohmert keeps getting re-elected.
DeleteAOC's speech was indeed worth watching. Unlike the utterances of Yoho, et al, it was classy and articulate. He has said she is "dangerous". I believe he is correct, dangerous to his bully-boy culture that is. We have definitely not seen the last of her.
DeleteJim said this year "...may be an existential moment for their party." Lord, I hope so.
Thanks Jim. I hadn’t actually watched the segment at the link I gave. I had watched one at the WaPo site which was longer. but I assume it’s behind a paywall. Just picked another.
DeleteGod protect us from the snares of the devil, and Louie Gohmert from himself.
DeleteYoho strikes as mean, overbearing, and possibly dangerous.
AOC's speech made me think of that old Nancy Sinatra song, "These Boots Are Made for Walking".
DeleteBread for the World convinced Yoho to resign from their board. Amazed he supported them actually. Maybe thought it would look good on his resume.
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Honestly, I never heard of this Karen thing before just now. All I can say is that my funniest cousin is named Karen, and she is nothing like the mythical one.
ReplyDeleteOf course, I feel sympathy for women who are named Karen, but then both "jack" and "john" have been used pejoratively for certain types of men. So this is not something new.
ReplyDeleteYes, indeed, Jack. And I know many men named "John" who don't solicit prostitutes.
DeleteGood point, Jack.
DeleteThe Atlantic has an interesting article about the evolution of Karen during the pandemic.
ReplyDeletehttps://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2020/05/coronavirus-karen-memes-reddit-twitter-carolyn-goodman/611104/
The evolution of Karen; she has come a long way, baby.
DeleteThink if that was my name I'd use my Confirmation name.
Does AOC have a secret Karen inside her? She was a bar-keep before she was a member of Congress and must have had to deal with bullies and dopes (male). This time she has a title and a podium, which makes her brave and forthright, and not just another Karen.
ReplyDeleteOr maybe many women start out as Karens and when they get a better job, they become brave and forthright women.
DeleteYou may be on to something about a brave and forthright woman being a Karen with a better job.
DeleteReminds me a little of my dad saying that the difference between being squirrelly and eccentric is the size of ones bank account.
Karens usually don't have jobs unless it's some cushy spousal appointment. They have well-off husbands, drive their kids to soccer in oversized family SUVs, and spend a lot of time reading about self-care. They are pushy and self-absorbed. Carmela Soprano is a karen. If you've seen Big Little Lies, they're mostly all karens.
DeleteYears ago, I watched a woman hold up a line in a cafe because there was no goat's milk, which was, according to her, discrimination against the lactose intolerant and a violation of the ADA. the manager was called (and handled it.deftly). I was too fascinated by her imperviousness to others to be irritated. Definitely a karen.
Maybe Ivanka is a Karen?
DeleteIt’s not clear to me how AOC could be a secret Karen, Because she spoke out against men who regularly demean women? In her response to Yoho, AOC makes it clear that since she has experienced this type of male behavior many times. Her first instinct was to let it go, as she had done many times. As many women have done many times. Including me and most women I have known in my life. It was his excuse that having a wife and daughters, and his self justifying cry of being passionate about his love of God, family and country that made her decide that she should call him on it, along with all the other men who demean women and then hide behind the skirts of their wives and daughters and being “Christians”
ReplyDeleteCould you clarify please?
I haven’t read the Atlantic article yet. But the examples I have seen of “Karens” have been fortyish upper middle class white women who feel entitled to put themselves first, believing that they have a right to ignore the rules that apply to others. Thus, Central Park Karen calling the cops on an African American man because he told her the dog needed to be on a leash. She didn’t think the rule should apply because the no-leash dog part of the park was closed. She knew that her status as a professional white woman would give credibility to her false accusation that a black man was threatening her. The Trader Joe Karen wore a mask into the store and removed it later - claiming a health issue. No, she was setting up a confrontation in the store. If she hadn’t worn the mask when she entered, she might have been stopped before she could create a big fuss. She felt entitled to do what she wanted - no mask. The key thing seems to be white skin and a sense of entitlement. Frankly, I don’t see this as describing what AOC did - which was to stop ignoring bad behavior and speaking out on behalf of all women.
For the record, I know a number of Karens who are very nice people. I’m sorry that their name is now linked with this type of behavior. And, for the record, AOC is a bit too far left for me in some policy issues. But I applaud her rebuke of Yoho.
About people "...who feel entitled to put themselves first, believing that they have a right to ignore the rules that apply to others", there were some at church this morning. The non-mask wearers, of course. They weren't at the Mass I attended, but at the ones my husband assisted with. I am mad because about two thirds of the people there are over 60. I don't know what you call a guy Karen, a jerk I guess. The archdiocese could help by making mask wearing mandatory in church instead of just "strongly recommended".
DeleteAnne C: "Could you clarify please?" Central Park Karen (aka Amy Cooper), who turns out to be Canadian, of all things, got her name change because she appeared to be full of "white privilege" though she may or may not be upper middle class (now she's just unemployed), and has been forgiven by Chris Cooper the bird watcher. [I just insert and assert here that there are New Yorkers, just like her, white, black, and orange, male, female, and other who allow their dogs off-leash, especially in the parks. At least some of them would react as Amy Cooper did because like all NYers they believe that once in a while they are allowed non-observance of the rules. So maybe they are all Karens or "Chads," or maybe they are simple law-breakers.
DeleteAs to my point about AOC. Few women in the normal run of life acquire the ability to speak out coherently while enraged and succeed at convincing people that they are brilliant and that they are right. It takes practice.
So...as a barkeep, AOC no doubt encountered ordinary male drinkers who were not abusive or demeaning, maybe just stupid or clumsy, or maybe did nothing but not tip. But perhaps she was annoyed, angry, put out about them. I say she practiced being a Karen on these guys, and probably got so good at putting them down that they smiled, laughed with her, left bigger tips.
I speak from some experience as somebody who has mouthed off at innocent adult males; I didn't always get away with it, but I did get better at it--just as I speculate that AOC has gotten better at it--good for her. Mouthing off, whether as a Karen or not, takes experience and practice. Whatever you make of other members of AOC's squad (and obviously none are Karens), none of them have mastered the form as she has. Bravo!
Margaret, what name would you give Yoho - after all, he mouthed off at AOC? What name would be right for all the many men who disrespect women in similar ways? I hate to vilify an entire group of men who happen to have a name that is adopted, just as I feel badly for all the real Karens out there. But, perhaps we should come up with some names for these types of people that won't hurt the innocents.
DeleteI agree that she has mastered the art of the comeback and join in your Bravo.
But.....
Are New Yorkers all entitled types - think the rules don't apply to them? Then why should we expect anyone to practice social distancing, or wear masks, or follow any other rule meant to ensure public safety - such as leashing dogs in areas of the park where non-dog people are walking? I live in boring suburbia and there are lots of dogs. People do keep them on leashes - for the safety of others. Little kids in the park, people who are afraid of dogs, people who don't like stepping in their poop. We have pooper scooper laws too and most people abide by both the leash laws and the pick up your dogs poop rules. I don't consider the fact that from what you say, most New Yorkers consider themselves above others when it comes to following simple rules as justification for Ms. Cooper's behavior. All she had to do was put the leash on and go to a different part of the park. As I recall, it's very large.
Her nationality is of no importance. Her attitude and her willingness to implicate an innocent man, specifically by accusing him of threatening her, specifically identifying him as African American, seems to warrant a charge of white, female entitlement against her. He has forgiven her. But, I am hoping that she, and all of the others who share her entitlement attitudes out there, will think twice before they break rules and then try to get others, especially minorities, into legal trouble with the cops.
Yes, AOC very likely has had a lot of experience speaking out against misogynist males. Good for her. I'm glad that she didn't let this one go by, but spoke out against someone trying to disguise his misogny by hiding behind his wife and daughters.
As you say, few women have not experienced this type of behavior by men. But few of us have the opportunity and the public platform, not to mention the speaking ability, needed to bring it to the front burner and call it out. I am not a fan of many of AOCs proposals. But after this, I may now by a fan of AOC herself.
Could Yoho be called a yahoo, "a noisey, rude, violent person; A rough, coarse, loud or uncouth person; yokel; lout."
Delete"The word "yahoo" was coined by Jonathan Swift in the fourth section of Gulliver's Travels and has since entered the English language more broadly. Swift describes Yahoos as filthy with unpleasant habits, "a brute in human form,"
"KARENS" could be called busybodies, church ladies, nosy nellies....depending on the context. But I don't think they are on the mark. What would you propose as an alternative to "karen"?
DeleteBut what about the poor women named Nelly???
DeleteA little off topic but I am too lazy to post. No karen but an Olivia, as in de Havilland, has just died at the age of 104. As demure and beautiful as she was in her roles, she was tough enough to sue her studio about extending her contract, setting a precedent that changed the relation of studios and their "stables" of actors. So she had toughness to match her beauty. That is cool. What I could not fathom was her lifelong cruelty to her younger sister Joan Fontaine. Sometimes firstborn resent and never forgive another coming into existence. I've seen it happen and eventually fade. In the case of Olivia and Joan, it endured.
ReplyDeleteThe only thing I can remember seeing her in was "Gone With the Wind". Yeah, that's quite a sibling rivalry, to last a lifetime. I was the oldest of five, had a lot of practice getting over myself.
DeleteKatherine, I am the youngest of five and I'm not convinced the eldest is over herself even now!
DeleteI was firstborn and lastborn so I never had to undergo that test of character. However, I sometimes wished I were fifth of nine. Ole whatsisname.
DeleteHi, Stanley. In the 5th grade, I became friends with one of Joan Fontaine's daughters, Martita (she informally adopted her in Peru). She had decided to flee Hollywood to stay in her summer home. Her daughters took the school bus from the rich area of summer homes (Hiltons, movie stars, etc) that eventually made its way through the normal neighborhoods to my bus stop. I usually sat with her on the bus to and from school. She told me a lot of stories about her beautiful, movie star mom, sometimes meant to shock the naive little mountain girl I suspect. It worked. But I also think, from what I remember of these stories from many decades ago, that the sisterly cruelty may have gone both ways. They moved back to LA after that year. Since your post aroused my curiosity, I googled Joan Fontaine. Apparently Martita and her mother were estranged in later years with a wide range of possible reasons offered for the estrangement. But it seems none are totally trustworthy explanations.
ReplyDeleteWell, that's a cool connection, Anne. I guess I've only read the comments made by Olivia about Joan and they were adeptly cutting. I suppose it's not easy to become a Hollywood star and NOT be messed up. Maybe being messed up helped to become one.
DeleteStanley, I guess Joan wasn’t as public in her comments maybe? I don’t know much about the feed. But I do remember getting the idea that neither sister was very sisterly towards the other.
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