Sunday, January 5, 2020

The end of the Times

I could be wrong....Tom Blackburn check me out.  The Sunday New York Times (1/5/20) has no editorial today, no editorial page, and no opinion page. The "Week in Review" where these usually appear on Sunday is taken up with essays/stories from their Privacy Project!!??   I'm talking about the print edition...

This could mean:
1. The editors now realize that the news section is essentially the editorial page.
2. The editors couldn't think of what to say about the bombing of General Suliemani and other Iranian officials.
3. The editors couldn't decide what to write about Trump's decision to "take them out."
4. ....Your speculation:

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  1. NYT homepage has an editorial as well as the usual half dozen opinion pieces. I have only a digital subscription so don’t know what is in the print edition.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/04/opinion/editorials/trump-iran-threats-Suleimani.html?action=click&module=Opinion&pgtype=Homepage

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  2. If they hire back Chris Hedges, HE'LL have something to say.

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  3. Thanks Anne,
    The editorial you cite is dated Saturday January 4, but is not the same as the editorial in Saturday's print edition.

    The other two items on your link are news stories from the front page, January 5. They are not opinion pieces.

    Who are the authors of the half-dozen opinion pieces you have on your digital subscription? Thanks...

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    1. Interesting. I hadn't looked at the date. I just assumed today since I pulled up the website this morning.

      It's still showing on the Home page

      https://www.nytimes.com/

      The stories linked to at the bottom of the page are suggested stories that relate but may have appeared on other days.

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    2. When clicking on the Opinion tab at the top of the Home page, the editorial and op pieces come up again.

      https://www.nytimes.com/section/opinion

      Are others not seeing these? Tom?

      Could it be something strange with a browser? I pulled up the stories shown at the links given in these comments using Firefox.

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    3. FWIW. I looked on-line for the editorial/opinion page when it wasn't in the print ed. Nothing there. Now there is. I'm speculating that it didn't make print, was late, and was posted on-line later....

      Makes you think print is definitely being sidelined...so why do I go on paying for it? Because the smell of coffee and ink is just the thing to wake you up in the morning. Probably the Times doesn't get that...

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  4. I got up the listing for everything in today's paper, and the are Styles and Books and Travel and Real Estate and Vows. But no editorials or columnists on the list.
    Very curious.
    I also tried Googling the Times Sections and Times missing under News, but apparently other media haven't noticed or are not speaking of the dead.

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    1. Vows? A section for future spouses? Or future nuns?

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  5. Maybe all the editors have been fired for allowing Bret Stephens to write what he wrote!!

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    1. Would that have been his "Jewish Genius" column? I couldn't find the whole thing, but apparently he ruffled some feathers with it.

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    2. Wow. That was a strange piece. I see there's a big disclaimer almost as long as the opinion piece.

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  6. We used to get the Sunday NYT delivered, though we were constantly having to call out there to tell the circulation department that the paper boy took a wrong turn at Cleveland and missed out house.

    So I got an online subscription which was not the entire paper, and I kept getting emails asking me to send more money so I could read Mark Bittman, the book review section, or the online games and puzzles.

    I got sick of that, so I followed the links to cancel, but you have to call a person in NYC who grills you about why you want to quit.

    I interrupted her spiel to tell her I was suspending payment and hung up.

    In good weather, we drive 30 miles on Sunday to a book/news store in Lansing to get a paper copy. But it was snowing today, so we didn't venture out.

    Maybe just as well. The NYT is failing anyway. I heard that somewhere ...

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  7. Easy as it is to pick on the New York Times, it's about all we have. There is the WaPo, but only as long as Bezos stays a) interested and b) not too interested. Which is a fine line. And then there is NPR, if you need to know who is the first out transgendered police chief to announce there will be no more arrests on his/her watch. After that there are the Manny, Moe and Jackass of the cable networks, trying to be as informative as the SuperBowl halftime show.

    Which all gives new meaning to the expression, What do you know?

    When there is a compulsive liar in the White House and you feel the need to cover him but not mislead the readers, you HAVE to look as if you are editorializing in your news columns. Even the AP has led with, "President said, falsely, today that..." And once you have gone that far you may as well keep going. IF they had begun by saying they would simply ignore his lies, they might look better. And it hardly matters because so many of his supporters (I was supporting one with my car again yesterday) KNOW he is telling whoppers and LOVE repeating them.

    The reporter's lot is not a happy one these days. Better to move to the sports desk.

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    1. I subscribe online to our regional daily, the Omaha World Herald. Which is a shadow of its former self. One of my sons worked for them, his first job out of college. But after five years of a wage freeze, married with a growing family, he decided he needed to move on.
      They carry some syndicated columnists, which they shuffle around. I like Froma Harrop, and sometimes Jonah Goldberg. Can't stand Ben Shapiro, or David Harsanyi. They recently started carrying Jules Witcover, whom I like, but hadn't come across before. Apparently he's not a newbie, from his bio he is 90 plus. Occasionally they feature EJ Dionne. He has been scarce lately; I wonder if he retired.

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    2. This morning David Harsanyi said he thinks we need a federal concealed carry law. Because good guys with guns should be able to carry concealed anywhere.

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    3. EJ Dionne has not retired. He is in the WashPost today 1/6. The Post has cracked down on allowing reprints in other papers and magazine....it appears CWL no longer has access either.

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    4. I found one of EJ Dionne's columns dated yesterday on a Florida news site, and I see references on some other sites. Just not the World Herald. I'm guessing the price went up to carry some of the syndicated columnists, which shut out the WH, and maybe CWL too.

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    5. Tom, you are on target about Bezos, I think. NPR sometimes does go down a rabbit-hole with some minority or ethnic issues, but I guess I would rather have that slant than the Fox apologists for their favored minority--rich old white men.

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    6. Yes, Jules Witcover is older than I am. Not many can say that. I said something about the Magi at dinner last night and was asked which Wise Man had told me that.
      Somebody gave Ben Shapiro a column? No sense paying attention anymore. We are doomed.

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    7. Have any of you ever subscribed to The Medium? I am toying with the idea of subscribing, I think it is around $5 a month. It carries a mixture of writers, some better than others. It seems like I always max out my free articles the first week of the month.

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  8. Just to interject here.
    Asking for your prayers for my mother. Congestive heart failure could no longer be fixed. She is unresponsive now and being given drugs to keep her comfortable. Asking for your prayers that her transition be as smooth as possible. Thanks.

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    1. I'm so sorry to hear that, Stanley. I will pray for her at Mass this morning.

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    2. With you in spirit, Stanley. Been at that bedside myself. God bless you.

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    3. Stanley, I'm so sorry.

      Prayers ascending.

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    4. Peace...."May we all meet merrily in paradise"....or so wrote Thomas More.

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    5. So sorry, Stanley. Saying a prayer now, and will add her to my daily list.

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    6. Thank you all for your prayers. My dear mother took her last breath at 10:50 PM at Saint Luke's Hospital Monroe Campus. It was peaceful. Her mass will be down in the Sacred Heart Parish she belonged to in the Philadelphia area. She was married there. I was baptized there. Her funeral arrangements will be the same as her father and mother and siblings. Right now, I'm mostly numb but saying the Our Father, Hail Mary and Glory be again and again while I take the Christmas tree down. I seem to need a burst of activity now.

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    7. May she rest in peace, and may perpetual light shine upon her. Continued prayers for your healing and peace.

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    8. Stanley, I am so sorry. Prayers for you as you go forward. Your mother is at peace.

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    9. Stanley, my mother passed on January 5, 1992. In a few more years it will be thirty years ago. You have my prayers and sympathy.

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    10. Thank you all. You give me comfort. I am fortunate to have your company.

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    11. Stanley, I am so sorry. I'm praying now for her, and for you.

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    12. Jack, my husband's mother passed away in Jan 1992 also, and his dad died five weeks later. Both had cancers. My mother passed away in Oct 1992 - she had not been sick at all, but had a brain aneurysm that burst. I was in my 40s, and my youngest was only 7 when my mother passed away. My dad died when I was 37, but I did not have a real relationship with him - had seen him fewer than a dozen times from the age of 10 on, so it wasn't as hard. I grieved more for the relationship that I had never had with a father, and never would have, than for the man whom I felt I barely knew.

      What I learned that terrible year of 1992 and 1993 (my older brother died in 1993 after a freak accident) is that there is no "good" time to lose a loved one. And that it's just as bad coming after a long illness, and thus predictable except for the exact day, as when itcomes out of the blue, as with my mother.

      Jean lost her mom last year.

      Prayers for all of us here, for all of our losses of loved ones. But right now, today, especially for Stanley.

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    13. Anne, thanks for your wisdom - I appreciate reading it here.

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  9. I'll join Jean and Katherine, Stanley. May God be with you through the next hours and days.

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  10. Makes you think print is definitely being sidelined...so why do I go on paying for it? Because the smell of coffee and ink is just the thing to wake you up in the morning.

    I miss reading the WaPo with coffee each morning. But last year they raised the cost of the paper subscription from $100 to $500. A digital was $75, and now it's offered regularly for far less - the Christmas price was down to $35/year.

    I had never subscribed to the NYTimes - until Trump was elected. I got so sick of his attacks that I took out a digital subscription. I waste enough time reading news online as it is - a paper paper,turning every single page to look for interesting items, takes even more time

    Now I am going to take out a digital subscription to Christianity Today. $35/year for digital to support their finally standing up and speaking out against Trump. From what I know, CT has always been considered the leading evangelical christian publication - at least until now. The publisher claims that although hundreds of subscribers have cancelled, there have been three to four times as many new subscriptions as cancelled subscriptions since the editorial was published..

    I will earn more about evangelical christianity (apart from the Joel Osteens, Falwell, the younger,Graham the younger,Paula White, etc, etc), if nothing else. Maybe the more "normal" evangelicals?




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  11. Back 40 or so years ago, Christian Century was the mainline Protestant counterpart to Christianity Today, and I always thought the Century was meatier than Today. But that was a long time ago. Both are still in business

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    1. The Christian Science Monitor is another one I remember from years past. I think it is still around. I believe it had a more general focus than just religious news.

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  12. I have had a subscription to Christian Century for the last year. They are progressive Protestant in their outlook. I have enjoyed reading authors from a range of mostly mainline church backgrounds. They don't feature much evangelical, nor RC, but do have the occasional Orthodox writer.

    So now I will add Christianity Today to the list, to learn more about their understanding of christian belief.

    I also subscribe to Sojourners, which was founded by people from the evangelical tradition, but which is very, very social justice oriented. It features writers from many different religious backgrounds (including Christian, Jewish, Buddhist, Hindu, and Muslim, even Mormon now and then). What they share is a progressive vision related to social justice.

    Christian Science Monitor has a lot of good stuff too. I don't subscribe, but occasionallly read stories online. It is not a religious publication really. I am thinking of adding Tikkun to the list also. With my hearing loss, I mostly read instead of listen - to radio, TV, movies, or speakers and homilists.

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