Sunday, December 1, 2019

The Deep State

I often don't agree with Jonah Goldberg, but I thought his recent column  on the "deep state" was right on. It's a term that Trump and his minions and excuse makers have bandied about. But they have not indicated that they know, or else they choose to ignore, its origins, or what it really means.
From the Goldberg column:

"The deep state is the right’s new bogeyman.
I’d wager that until fairly recently, few people had ever heard the phrase. I’d also bet that roughly 99% of those who fling the term around have no idea that it’s borrowed from Turkish politics.
The idea of a deep state, or “state within a state,” is that there are undemocratic forces within the permanent bureaucracy, the military and the intelligence services who pursue their own interests rather than those of the people or the agenda that voters desire.
Depending on the country in question, deep states are not only real, they are sometimes as devious as people fear. At various times in the history of the Soviet Union, the secret police ran the government and the Communist Party for its own benefit.
….But now it’s become a partisan talking point in defense of almost everything President Donald Trump does. It’s a warrant for widespread paranoia and hysteria. People talk as if we live in a Jason Bourne or James Bond movie, with secret deep state organizations plotting to overthrow the government or something.
Impeachment, we’re told almost every day, is a “deep state coup.” When the Turkish military launched a “deep state coup,” it launched an actual, you know, “coup” — which the dictionary still defines as an extralegal violent overthrow of a government.
The sort of coup that some on the right are talking about — which, if successful, would result in the vice president lawfully becoming president and Trump’s Cabinet staying in place — isn’t a coup. It’s not particularly deep state-ish either, given that the people leading it are democratically elected legislators publicly following not just the rules but also the wishes of the people who elected them. (You can be sure that if Democratic voters weren’t behind the effort, people such as Rep. Adam Schiff wouldn’t be pushing impeachment.)
In fairness, impeachment arouses partisan excess, and it’s no surprise when partisan rhetoric gets heated. Democrats called the effort to impeach Bill Clinton a coup. And they were wrong, too.
The problem is that this deep state contagion has spread far outside of impeachment.
“Just this week, I stuck up for three great warriors against the Deep State,” Trump declared Tuesday night at a rally in Florida.
The crowd loved it, of course. But think about what Trump is saying. The three warriors Trump was referring to were three men charged with committing war crimes. He pardoned all three. One hadn’t even received a trial yet.
….Reasonable people can disagree on the specifics of the acts, but military law experts are uniformly aghast at Trump’s decision. According to Military.com, Trump’s move has “blown a hole in the military justice system and will make it harder to prosecute future war crimes, military law experts say.”
...The president now wants to campaign with the “three warriors” for political advantage.
Indeed, the impeachment witnesses defamed as deep state operatives by Trump ...were doing what they thought the law and patriotic duty required.
….Deep staters are now those who follow the rules in ways inconvenient to Trump’s personal desires or political ambitions. "

33 comments:

  1. The main thing is that it is two words combining an adjective and a noun. Deep state, fake news, little Marco. All he has to do is say the two words and the followers brain waves synch with his.

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    1. Yeah, two words is a pattern. Sleepy Joe, Crooked Hilary, nasty woman, etc.

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    2. Not that I support Trump, but doesn't the opposition do the same? Look at the monikers for Trump on this blog ... Orange Buffoon, Trumple Thinskin.

      Just sayin'.

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    3. My favorite Trump moniker is Stanley's Orange Poltroon. Yeah, both sides do it.

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  2. What Trump is really offended by is institutional memory. It leads to the "Yes, Minister" response in which the boss's really stupid idea is carried out slowly enough that he will notice the impending disaster he has ordered before it does much damage. I got insight into this when I was once a minor cog in a new machine that replaced the old fuddy-duddies. There were enough "losers" still around to grumble when we launched projects that had been tried before and failed. When they failed again, the losers didn't say "Told you so." They just rolled their eyes.

    That is the classic Dunning-Kruger outcome.

    Trump will hit a new low if he campaigns with an accused war criminal and two convicted war criminals. How embarrassing can he get. I predict: The General Bonespur and the War Criminals album will go straight to K-Tel.

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    1. About the war criminals thing, there are actually people defending their actions because "they did it to people who deserved it". The Geneva Conventions are so yesterday. Apparently they haven't gotten around to considering the payback that could happen to our troops if they get captured.

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    2. I agree that there are any number of people (how many? Maybe the percentage who give the Trump presidency a positive rating is a proxy) who think that 'those people' deserve whatever the war criminals did to them. The same folks think that torture should be a standard tool in the US DOD interrogation toolkit.

      There was a time when there were responsible leaders in the US who would agree with something like the Geneva Convention and much/most of the country would go along with them, perhaps accompanied by grumbling in some quarters, because it was recognized that these were the people who should be making decisions about things like this.

      To be sure, that's not perfect democracy. Perfect democracy means letting the grumblers be in charge. Who wants that? Not me.

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  3. Fwiw, I consider Goldberg to be an important conservative voice, precisely because he has a vision of conservatism that is well thought out, coherent and defensible, and therefore bumps up against the Trumpistas at many points.

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    1. I agree that he is worth reading.

      Most conservatives are guided by a code or principles that purport to contribute to the common good.

      The principle of Trumpery is merely about what contributes to the good of Trump.

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    2. Jean - exactly. I've been angsting about Trump's destruction of conservatism (what he's already wrought and what he has yet to wreak) for so long now that it makes me feel physically ill to keep thinking about it - it's exhausting.

      Trump brings to mind some of those still-useful old words that still exist in the rite of baptism, like "pomp" and "show". He's pure id, an abyss into which conservatism is pouring its principles and energies. And all for the purpose of winning the next frigging election. Conservatives used to take an almost-perverse pride in the principled election loss. No more.

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    3. Raber hates it when I say this, but there is a strain of conservatism that clearly sees the dangers of mega biz that local businesses cannot compete with, turning us all into cogs in the wheels of the WalMart-Amazon-McDonalds-Starbucks axis and thwarting entrepreneurship.

      It was a conservative Republican who earned us about the "military industrial complex." And a Republican who was the original trust-buster.

      On the things that matter to me, most conservatives and liberals agree--Dreamers, Social Security, Medicare, environmental stewardship, penal reform, addiction, decline of the middle class, crumbling infrastructure, and rising health care costs.

      So why are we so acrimoniously divided? Because Trump thrives on it.

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    4. "...Trump thrives on it." Unfortunately he has found a lot of company. But I have to believe there are more who care about the things you mention.

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    5. "On the things that matter to me, most conservatives and liberals agree"

      One big part of the dysfunction is that, when The Other Side is in power, Our Side can't stomach them enacting any good ideas. Example A: it's been pointed out many times that what now is known as Obamacare was based on some ideas that had originated in conservative circles. Yet conservatives fought its passage tooth and nail and came within a fingernail's width of thwarting its passage. It wasn't until conservatives were in power and their leader decided to kill it that some of them remembered that (a) it wasn't that bad, including for people that vote for them and (b) there are possible alternatives that are worse.

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    6. Not one Republican office holder could notice the devastation Gen. Bonespurs' taking over the JAG did to military justice? Goldberg, Mona Charen and Kathleen Parker -- all formerly conservative commentators whose own politics haven't changed -- noticed. But no one in Congress? At all?

      Now the Rs who claimed to have been shut out on the House Intelligence Committee have found their no-impeachment argument: All those professionals who testified were hurt that Mr. Trump's new style of diplomacy doesn't kowtow to them? Give me a br.., do you suppose Devon Nunes is totally unaware that Trump's one and only diplomatic success, his bff Kim Jung Un, has given Trump a put up or shut up date of Dec. 31 and has mobilized his forces while pouty-face is off insulting the mayor of London. Ho hum. Again?

      What do those folks see when the look in the mirror? I mean, considering that there is nothing there?

      Btw, Trump Turnberry racked up $10 million in losses last year, despite the Air Force's effort to help out.

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    7. "Not one Republican office holder..." I'm looking at you, Ben Sasse and Deb Fisher. Crickets...

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    8. I used to think Sasse was OK. And my friend Chuck Grassley, last time I checked, was playing folksy by posting pictures of himself with constituents who visit his office. Lalala, nothing weird going on.

      While I understand that getting in line is how the GOP operates, and I understand that Trump has made Republicans happy by loosening regulations and added conservative votes to the Court, it seems to me that *any* GOP President would do this. Meantime, nobody is talking about the national debt or responsible spending, the staple of Republican talking points.

      Why Republicans are completely caving to Trump specifically and not looking for a better standard bearer strikes me as pretty odd.

      The only way I can figure this silence is that Trump is busy setting up Trumpista candidates to run in every GOP district against incumbents who buck him.

      Once his yes-men and -women are in place, we're really in trouble.

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    9. I think they're scared of his "base". Sasse made a few sort of half hearted protests against some of Trump's excesses awhile back, and you'd have thought he walked on the flag with muddy boots, to hear some people talk. I don't think the base are the majority of Republicans, but they're louder and meaner. BTW Sasse is getting primaried by a more "basic" kind of guy. I'm going to have to retain my Republican registration so I can vote for Sasse against his challenger. Much as I have dissed him lately out of frustration, he's not one of the "basket of deplorables". (Much as that was an unfortunate characterization by HRC, it was apt.)
      And speaking of HRC, the ones who are claiming that impeachment proceedings are an attempt to undo the 2016 election, they do realize that if Trump were removed from office it would be Pence who took over rather than HRC....don't they?

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    10. And speaking again of HRC, it is interesting (not in a good way) that in the letters to the editor in our morning regional paper was a letter from a Trump supporter. Basically she was saying that she knows the awful stuff about Trump is true. But she said, "Consider what our choice was in 2016. In a comparison of morality Trump wins out over Hilary Clinton, hands down." She didn't back it up with any specifics. Sometimes demonizing your opponent works, especially if people are unwilling to do any serious fact checking on their own.

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    11. Yes, I have heard that from my Republican friends, that Hillary was worse than Trump, that she was a criminal, Bengazi, emails, Vince Foster suicide. At the time, I didn't have the heart to engage, so I'm really not sure how they toted this up.

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    13. Re: Sasse and other somewhat-independent Republicans: "I think they're scared of his "base"":

      At the very least, many of them need his base to win; his base is also their base, or a big part of it.

      Beyond the base, though, Trump has a pretty ruthless intra-party political operation. Trump will primary and/or punish anyone who stands against him or doesn't measure up (down) to his standards. It's happening right now in Georgia, where Senator Isakson is retiring mid-term for health reasons. The governor gets to appoint his successor. But the guv's choice (a woman) isn't the person Trump wants; Trump wants a particular GA congressman who is a pro-Trump attack dog and can be counted on to defend the prez unswervingly during the coming impeachment trial.

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    14. Jim, yes, I am watching the Georgia appointment closely. Trump cannot exist without support from the party operatives, and the possibility that he is not an anomaly but reflects who has taken over the party is very concerning.

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    15. Our book club selection for this month is a throwback, "Love Song to the Plains" by Mari Sandoz. It was written in 1961, concerning a time in history, about 1820 through the early 1900s. The reason I mention it, is that it relates a horrific going off the rails by politicians and others, worse than what we are going through now. Though it covers the time period of the Civil War, it is not primarily about that in the plains states. Instead of slavery, the near genocide of Native Americans is part of the legacy here. The seven deadlies, particularly covetousness and avarice, are on glaring display. But eventually people found their way again. So maybe there is hope for our time.

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    16. Distribution of power is a strength of a democracy. Centralization is a weakness. Now we have two parties and one of them has been hijacked by a bottom feeder. And, sorry to be Johnny One-note, but both parties have been hijacked by Big Money. We need more parties for more distribution of power and less chance for some horror to grab a large chunk of power.
      I hear the folks here descibing with accuracy the dire straits in which we are now, and I think instant runoff voting is one way to steer out.

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    17. I wish we had instant runoff. I believe if we did, we wouldn't have been stuck with Trump for the Republican candidate.

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    18. So the Georgia governor, Kemp, has now formally appointed his own candidate, the independently wealthy Kelly Loeffler, for the vacant senate seat. In doing this, he has defied Trump, who wanted Rep. Doug Collins, a vociferous Trump ally in the House.

      For a Georgia Republican, what Kemp has done here is a gutsy move. The governor barely eked out a win himself in the last election, and apparently he's hoping that his candidate, who is a woman, will help him with suburban women in his own re-election bid in a few years. In essence, Kemp seems to be betting that Georgia conservative voters will prefer a conservative pro-life woman over a conservative pro-life Trump lapdog/pit bull. Nor is it clear that Loeffler won't be a pro-Trump lap poodle herself; Kemp tweeted, “I stand with hardworking Georgians and @POTUS. The idea that I would appoint someone to the U.S. Senate that is NOT pro-life, pro-2nd Amendment, pro-freedom, and 100% supportive of our President (and his plan to Keep America Great) is ridiculous.” Thus Kemp is trying to embrace and defy Trump, all at the same time. Such is the situation with any GOP politician these days who tries to maintain a shred of independence.

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    19. Well, good luck to Kemp. I wish there were more like him. Maybe then they wouldn't all have to kowtow to Trump and his MAGA agenda.

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  4. So now Kamala Harris has dropped out. That surprised me a bit. I thought she was ahead of some of the others, who have remained in. And ahead of people like Bloomberg, who is trying a Hail Mary pass.

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    1. It's the lack of $$. ALso, WaPo's Jennifer Rubin explains in part:

      ... she has never run for office outside California. There, she is a mainstream Democrat, a strong crusader for gay rights and defender of immigrants, legal and otherwise. She is comfortable in her milieu and excels at the intra-Democratic politics in a state that essentially has only one major party.

      California, of course, is not the totality of America. Especially in the early primary states, successful Democratic candidates must show they are as comfortable in and with the heartland, as accessible to small-town Iowans as to San Franciscans. The media does not get why Biden holds onto his voters or why a “no malarkey” tour may work in Iowa; they too often bring the coastal elite mind-set to a race that in the early going is decided by people who do not naturally embrace urban progressives. Harris never quite made the leap from San Francisco to Des Moines.

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  5. And now Romney came out and said there was no evidence of Ukrainian meddling in 2016, almost the lone voice among Republicans. Wish I thought he would try to primary Trump.

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  6. Meantime, after 30 minutes of impeachment coverage, The NewsHour reported in the first of three planned cuts to the SNAP program. Lord, yes, let's make sure agribusiness gets its subsidies to keep food prices high, but offset those payouts by cutting access to food for poor people. And let's not solve the problem by raising.minimum wage because how will mega-corporations like Wal-Mart make any money??

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    1. Oh, yeah, punish the poor any chance they get. But run up the deficit like there's no tomorrow with military spending.

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