I am the way and the truth and the life
-- John 14:6
Man tends by nature toward the truth. He is obliged to honor and bear witness to it: "It is in accordance with their dignity that all men, because they are persons . . . are both impelled by their nature and bound by a moral obligation to seek the truth ... They are also bound to adhere to the truth once they come to know it and direct their whole lives in accordance with the demands of truth." -- Catechism of the Catholic Church no. 2467; the portion within quotation marks is from Dignitatis Humanae, the 2nd Vatican Council's decree on religious freedom, no. 2In the comments section of Peggy's post below about Donald Trump and our erstwhile NATO allies, Katherine referred us to an Ezra Klein article at Vox. That piece is headlined, "Why is Trump undermining NATO and the EU? He just told us". Klein goes on to present some quotes from Trump's press conference in the UK in which Trump articulates his frustrations with our European allies and trading partners. Klein's thesis is that, at least in this instance, we can take Donald Trump at his word.
Pursuant to the headline of Peggy's post, "So much news. So little time.": this past Friday, Robert Mueller's special counsel team indicted 12 Russian nationals for hacking a variety of Democratic Party-aligned servers during the 2016 election. That announcement, major news in its own right, also ratcheted up the already-tense anticipation for today's summit in Helsinki between Trump and Russian president Vladimir Putin. How strong and direct would Trump be to Putin about Russian meddling in our elections?
We now know the answer is, Not very:
"I hold both countries responsible. I think that the United States has been foolish. I think that we've all been foolish. We should have had this dialogue a long time ago, a long time, frankly, before I got to office," Mr. Trump said during a joint press conference with Putin.
Offered multiple chances to denounce Russia's actions, Mr. Trump instead placed blame on the FBI and said that he had "confidence" in both parties -- the intelligence community and Russia.Prominent figures from both parties have now deplored the president's attempt at drawing moral equivalency.
Conservative commentator Ben Shapiro, writing for National Review, rated Trump's press conference performance disgraceful. He notes the likelihood that the president's own administration will simply ignore their chief in their dealings with Russia. And he offers some thoughts of his own on Trump's fraught relationship with truth-telling: in this instance, we can probably pursue national policy as though he never said the indefensible things he said today:
The rest of the world has already dismissed Trump’s verbiage on various occasions. Last week, for example, he tore into NATO; according to the Wall Street Journal, he even told NATO members that he would “do my own thing” if members didn’t increase their military spending. What was the upshot? Nothing. Leaders at NATO quickly closed ranks and stated that NATO was as strong as ever, ignoring Trump’s pyrotechnics. They figured, correctly, that Trump’s national-security establishment isn’t going to facilitate a pullout from NATO and that if they gave him some sort of rhetorical victory, he’d go back to watching Shark Week.But, Shapiro notes, one can't always adopt the rule of thumb "Ignore what the president says", because on other occasions he says what he means:
When it comes to trade, however, Trump’s words matter — because they’re backed by policy. Trump’s tantrum at the G-7 had real ramifications for American policy because he immediately used his executive power to launch tariffs at a bevy of American allies.So ... how does one know when his words matter and when they don't? It helps to understand what makes Trump tick, a field of study which, until 2016, was of little or no interest to most of the country and the world, but one in which we've all been taking crash courses lately. And so here is Shapiro's insight into this particular episode:
[Trump's claiming that he puts as much faith in Putin as his own intelligence professionals] doesn’t mean, as Democrats have suggested, that Trump is in bed with the Russians. Far more likely, it means that Trump’s ego is one giant gaping wound, constantly draining rage over the suggestion that his 2016 election victory was somehow ill-won. To the refusal of former FBI director James Comey to publicly clear him in the collusion investigation, Trump responded by firing Comey; now he’s responded to the Mueller investigation’s indictment of twelve Russian government hackers by proclaiming that Putin might be innocent after all. This isn’t about some nefarious plot. It’s about Trump’s ridiculous ego problem.FWIW, I think that sounds likely enough. What we witnessed today is another Trump "episode" triggered, not by the summit with Putin, but rather by Friday's revelations from Mueller's investigation. Anything that comes from Mueller, if it casts even a hint of a shadow on the legitimacy of his election, is to be denied, even in the face of plain, hard facts.
Shapiro's analysis may be sound, but it's not very comforting. The world feels like it's at the end of its tether right now with this unpredictable, capricious and deeply flawed man at the helm of the most important nation on earth. I stand in solidarity with the leaders of virtually every country, except apparently Russia, in marking off the calendar days until the end of his term in office.
Shapiro is not wrong. Trump has always said whatever would make him the alpha male at the moment, whether it was true or not. Truth is not important to him, and he has gotten by with being intelligent but ignorant because nobody would challenge his ignorance ("To a point, Lord Copper") while he was going belly-up six times.
ReplyDeleteBut babbling has consequences. While the press corps was buying souvenirs after the Helsinki meeting, Donald Tusk of the European Union was meeting Jinping Xi of China to discuss -- collude? -- how to handle world trade after the abdication of the United States. China, which ain't building new islands with new bases in the South China Sea as a science project, will be very happy to step in for us. By pulling out of the Trans-Pacific Partnership (and being unable to make a "better" deal), Trump helped the China project along right out of the starting gate.
Trump has moved both Kim Jung Un and Vlad Putin from pariah status to equality with the leader of the United States. Whether he has elevated them to our level or sunk us to their level is up to you to decide. Either way, babbling has consequences.
Finally, he trashed the European Union, May's "soft" Brexit, Angela Merkel and his own intelligence agencies (a long-running trashing) and exalted Putin. Collusion? Maybe not. Maybe Trump believes in all of those Russian goals and not in U.S. interests. It won't matter to Putin. Babbling has consequences.
"...babbling has consequences." Yes, indeed. And when the consequences start biting some of his supporters in their bank account, they're likely to change their tune. Around here there are already worries, because to a large extent the agriculture economy depends on exports, and we have seen what Trump's throwing a hand grenade into our trade agreements is doing to commodities prices. Who knew a koolaid hangover could give such a headache the next morning.
DeleteI don't foresee a large number of Trump's base swinging from red to blue. But what this little episode may do is encourage challengers to his nomination to run for a second term.
KN, Your experience with neighbors is good to know. The media that interviewed every laid off factory worker from Wheeling, W.Va., to Topeka, Ks., about why they voted for Trump have now taken an interest in soybean farmers. Seems that every soybean farmer will be in bankruptcy "if it goes on much longer" but still backs Trump because "I agree with what he is trying to do."
DeleteGood to hear you know some farmers who don't see hari-kari as the way to make American great again.
I can see perhaps another reason why abortion won't be made illegal in the USA. With this idiot as president, there may not be a USA in which to make it illegal. At least, in the form we're used to.
ReplyDeleteSen. Ben Sasse is calling it a /"Trump first, rather than America first" policy after yesterday's summit. Wonder if he is contemplating a challenge to Trump's nomination for 2020.
ReplyDeleteIf I were Vladimir Putin and had his character traits, I would proceed to annex more of Ukraine, starting approximately today. And if there is no response, I'd go ahead and take a big bite out of the former Soviet Union Baltic states. With a feckless American leader and NATO in disarray, this is the answer to his prayers.
ReplyDeleteI wonder where Trump was in 1989 when the Berlin Wall fell.
Here is Heather Hurlburt in NY Magazine:
ReplyDelete"This matters in a global sense because it gives governments and other actors everywhere license, when presented with a U.S. indictment, legal judgment, or request for cooperation, to dismiss it with an airy “fake news.” It specifically communicates to Putin that he needn’t worry about the U.S. Executive branch gearing up new sanctions or intelligence responses to the indictments. And it is a devastating repudiation of the commitment of tens of thousands of Americans who work for these parts of the government. Will there be any blowback from that in our domestic politics? We may yet see a string of resignations from career officials."
http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2018/07/trump-putin-summit-7-takeaways.html
"a string of resignations from career officials."
DeleteThis is a dilemma we hadn't seen much of lately: Do you stay to keep it from getting worse -- and become complicit in how bad it gets while getting blamed for how bad it got? Or do you bail out -- and let the safe crackers take over the bank and the insane take over the asylum?
I imagine a of of people in government are asking themselves that very question now. If I were abroad, running agents against our real adversaries I would be very afraid for both myself and them. If I were on one of the U.S. ships showing the flag in the Mediterranean, I'd be thinking of turning in my separation papers.
People who know say a lot of people in the Pentagon, State Dept. and intelligence agencies spent the days after Trump's NATO hissyfit calling their counterparts in NATO countries saying, "Ignore the pudgy guy in the cheap Chinese-made necktie; this is still the United States." It would be a lot harder to pass on or to sell such news after the Helsinki Follies.
"If I were on one of the U.S. ships showing the flag in the Mediterranean, I'd be thinking of turning in my separation papers." Yeah, me too. Which is why I don't understand why a lot of former military guys are still big-time Trump supporters. Hive mind or tribalism, I guess.
DeleteEither November will fix this or it won't. You need a congress ready to impeach the poltroon. He needs to be rid of as quickly as possible. The Republican politicians are not American enough to do it themselves.
ReplyDeleteSaw the Vlad-Don show in the middle of Ohio on a very dysfunctional TV in a cheapish motel.
ReplyDeleteFirst up Anderson Cooper with debaters Granholm and Santorum. Everyone shouting. Then Andrew Cuomo (brother of) who was totally hysterical interviewing Leon Panetta who was calm and rational.
Flickered to C-Span where the famous press conference was on. Nobody hysterical. Putin may have been rational, but I don't understand Russian. Trump sounded like his usual meandering, "what'll-I-say-next self." Then on came Ben Sasse who seemed to get the problem right but then launched (as KN speculates) into his presidential bid speech.
Dare we call this treason? This is to dignify stupidity and/or as Trump now claims "mis-spokeness." If this wakes up the base GREAT! But if Katherine is right, even the soy bean farmers are still with him.
Amazingly enough, at a well-attended family reunion (not my family) no one brought up Trump. (Good behavior? Or just no one wanted a quarrel?) The sole exception: An Alabama nephew-in-law-once-removed and a Democrat came to our "safe" table and insisted on knowing how New Yorkers were holding up under the circumstances. I showed him my hives and we all agreed to whisper lest we disturb the peaceful reunion.
The Guardian: "Trump Derangement Syndrome."
Deletehttps://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/jul/18/summit-critics-trump-derangement-syndrome-putin
In the full context of that answer "would" or "wouldn't" come to about the same thing -- he doesn't know why Russia would want to get him elected, or he doesn't know why Russia wouldn't. The packing around that odd comment is what made it clear that he prefers Putin's version to Dan Coats's. The comment itself was mere Trumpgas.
Delete"Dare we call this treason? This is to dignify stupidity and/or as Trump now claims "mis-spokeness." "
DeleteRight. That's been sort of my approach to the Trump administration since Day 1: no need to attribute malice when mere incompetence suffices as an explanation. I think incompetence mostly accounts for the separating-kids-from-parents "policy", too, fwiw.
"...incompetence mostly accounts for the separating-parents-from-kids "policy"." Maybe. But it's incompetence with a healthy dose of malice, at least on the part of some of those advising Trump. Miller is one that springs to mind, and Sessions, and Kirstjen Nielsen (no relation!). And previously (and I am not altogether convinced that it is completely previous), Bannon. On Trump's part he showed no unwillingness to listen to the likes of these.
DeleteGreat point, Katherine. Any president is not just the individual, but all the advisers, appointees and assorted hangers-on.
DeleteI'm going for Katherine's recipe incompetence sauced with malice. How else explain all of this plus the personal attacks on Theresa May (who may not be the brightest bulb in English politics) and Angela Merkel (who is the brightest bulb). He so obviously hates women with authority it is creepy. Does it demean his own sense of power? Or what?
DeleteMargaret, I did notice the difference between how he tried to treat May and Merkel, and how he kissed up to Putin.
DeleteRe: separating children from their parents: I have it on good authority that it all played out this way:
Delete[Overheard in a White House public restroom. A large man with an obvious hair piece is standing at a urinal and talking down to a short, pudgy guy in an ill-fitting suit at the next urinal.
"From now on, deport everyone. The door is closed!"
"Your wish is my command, O Orange Phiz!"
[Later, in a basement in McAllen ...]
"Don't move! Keep your hands where I can see them!"
"Don't shoot! Please don't deport us! We claim asylum! Our children's lives were threatened by street thugs in Tegucigalpa!"
"Then you should have gone to a designated port of entry, you goddamn [racial slurs deleted]. You're all under arrest."
[Later, at an ICE processing facility]
"Okay. Madre y Padre, you two go to the right, to rot in jail for a while - er, I mean, to freshen up. Your trial date is set for 2023. In the mean time, hijos, you go with this nice lady from Health and Human Services - she's going to give you free ice cream! Oh, and then dump you in a detention facility for some indeterminate amount of time, which won't be short. But don't worry - there's a chance you may see your parents again some day."
[Later, back at the White House]
"Mr. President, we're told that, because we're now jailing every asylum seeker who didn't go to a port of entry, and because children aren't allowed to live in federal penitentiaries, in effect we're separating children from their parents."
"That doesn't sound good."
'Not to worry, sir, they're all from Latin America."
"Hmm, what are they saying about this on Fox & Friends?"
"Steve Doocy just said that it's a get-tough policy that will deter others seeking to enter the country illegally."
"Sounds like it's just what we need."
[Still later at the White House]
"Mr. President! We have an urgent problem - the media has learned that we're separating children from parents at the border."
"Hmm, what are they saying about this now on Fox & Friends?"
Incompetence sauced with malice seems about right.
That should be Chris Cuomo, brother of Gov. Andrew Cuomo....
DeleteDouthat on this subject is worth one of your ten reads.
ReplyDelete"Trump and Russia: One Mystery, Three Theories"
An agnostic's guide to our president’s strange conduct.
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/18/opinion/trump-putin-russia-theories.html?action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=opinion-c-col-left-region®ion=opinion-c-col-left-region&WT.nav=opinion-c-col-left-region
Full page front of yesterday's NY Daily News (while you were moteling) was a Bll Bramhall cartoon that showed Trump, red necktie hanging down to the sidewalk, shooting Uncle Sam on Fifth Avenue (street sign) while holding hands with bare-chested Putin.
DeleteThe huge headline: "Open Treason."
Despite Young Douthat's cleverness, if, indeed, Trump's behavior amounts to treason, it is treason, just as if I bust into C. D. Peacock and steel a necklace it's burglary. I might have a rather checkered ego and be known as a bit of a nut, but... it would be off the the slammer for me.
steal a necklace.
DeleteSorry.
C.D. Peacock? In Chicago? I don't know if you and your checkered ego would end up in the slammer? But I notice the mayor (of Chicago) seemed to tile to treason.
DeleteTrump in the Chicago slammer would be a site/sight to behold.
Sorry: tile to treason.
DeleteNo, no...tilt to treason!!!
DeleteI agree with Katherine - it seems (to me) that malice was definitely part of the policy to separate kids from their parents. Miller was probably behind it since Bannon isn't there anymore (officially), and Sessions, Nielson, and Trump eagerly jumped on board. It is also very clear to me that Trump has a strong inclination towards white nationalism. It wasn't incompetence and stumbling into a cruel policy, but a policy that he was quite happy to approve of, even though it was one of the the cruelest means available. Trump and his staff are amoral, and so were quite willing to embrace the cruelest policy presenting itself as the best way to discourage people from Central America/Mexico etc from even trying to get here to ask for asylum.
ReplyDeleteSome may give him the benefit of the doubt (incompetence instead of malice), but his strong dislike of racial minorities, and of non-white poor people, has come through loud and clear ever since he announced his campaign. There are reasons he was officially endorsed by white supremacists and neo-nazis both, and they still see him as "their" president. They supported him and he has not disappointed them.
Agree too that he strongly dislikes strong women. He prefers women to be beautiful, and women who do not express opinions that go against his own. Yes men, and Yes women are acceptable.
I guess that the president so wants a good relationship with Russia that he's willing to weaken the NATO alliance. That's my overall takeaway from the flurry of ducking, weaving, lying, walking back, walking forward again and hapless press secretary spinning since last week.
ReplyDeleteBut if that is what he's trying to do, then it is directed toward what policy? In what way is it in our national interest? Does he even think in those terms?
Putin has something on him. Forget sex tape. That's already been "leaked", and it didn't seem to matter much. It's something that makes Trump really twitchy; and if national interest was ever his top priority, it isnt now.
DeleteWould have been interesting to be a fly on the wall at his and Putin's little tete-a-tete. Bet the interpreter who was present was in Putin's employ, rather than Trump's. And I hope that person is watching his or her back.
Turns out that the interpreter works for the State Department. And the Republican House Intelligence Committee has blocked a move to subpoena him or her.
DeleteIf there is any good that can come out of a Trump presidency, it is that it has provided a clarifying moment for the rest of us - makes us figure out, and state, where we stand on any number of important issues.
ReplyDeleteEven Bernie Sanders, who frankly would have been my chief suspect for still harboring remnants of an old romance with Soviet experimentation, has been no-nonsense in his condemnation of both Putin and Trump:
"Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) denounced the two leaders' public appearance as "an embarrassing spectacle" and ripped Trump in particular for failing to "make clear that interference in our elections is unacceptable."
"Trump instead accepted Putin's denials and cast doubt on the conclusions of our intelligence community," Sanders wrote on Twitter as the White House lauded the Finland summit as "constructive."
"Today is a good day for Putin and the oligarchs in Russia," Sanders added. "It is a bad day for people in the United States and all over the world who believe in democracy and who are trying to understand what world our idiot president lives in.""
https://www.commondreams.org/news/2018/07/16/white-house-declares-summit-success-sanders-rips-trump-putin-presser-embarrassing
This Trump episode has been bad, but inasmuch as it has brought Republicans and Democrats together to sing in unison from the same realist-on-Russia hymn book, it should be a good thing in the long run. Now all we need is a president who can find that page in the hymnal ...
... and as an illustration of the new bipartisanship: seems the Senate just condemned Trump's performance 98-0. That's not precisely what the resolution was about, but he'll read it that way.
Deletehttps://www.cnn.com/2018/07/19/politics/senate-votes-republicans-russia/index.html
At least it is encouraging to see that no one in the Senate thought it was a good idea for Putin to question US officials. Why on earth would Trump think it was okay? And why is he trying to invite Putin for a play-date in the fall? Apparently that caught Coats by surprise. I previously didn't think there was any chance the 25th amendment might be invoked. But I am starting to wonder, given the president's increasingly erratic behavior.
DeleteTrump is now looking for another summit, presumably as a do-over. "This is what I should have said the first time." I suppose the conventional thinking is that Putin will tell him he'll get back to him about it on the 12th of never, but possibly Putin will accept to see if there is any other candy he can purloin from this baby.
DeleteJim, I have read some op pieces about the proposed fall summit. Trump is probably hoping for better "optics", timing it to influence the elections in November. He is of course not a bit concerned about the reality that Russia is already at work trying to influence that election, and some reports say that the politicians who were behind the sanctions are being specifically targeted by the Russians this time around.
DeleteBubbling around in the background, maybe, is this: Maria Butina, the red-headed Russian spy, went to the National Prayer Breakfast. Why? To meet important Republicans. And why might important Republicans embrace a red-headed Russian instead of grabbing for the garlic and crucifix? Because post-Soviet Russia has embraced, rehabilitated, upgraded and done a major remodel on the Orthodox Church. Putin wears a cross around his neck. No doubt the lovely Maria had one, too. So the professional Christians of a conservative bent can feel comfortable around people like her.
ReplyDeleteConservative religionists often feel close to totalitarian oligarches, who remind them of their god. This isn't your godless, atheistic communist Russia; this is your godless, cross-wearing totalitarian Russia. Big difference.
Maybe the infamous "Pussy Riot" brought the Orthodox and conservative religionists together.
ReplyDeleteYa gotta love Tom Blackburn's "instead of grabbing for the garlic and crucifix." (two comments ago)
ReplyDeleteI do, Gene.
DeleteOn the question of incompetence vs. malice: Fintan O'Toole sees more malice:
ReplyDeletehttps://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/fintan-o-toole-trial-runs-for-fascism-are-in-full-flow-1.3543375
Gene, a frightening article.
DeleteIf anyone is curious about how Russian trolls mess with people's minds on social media, here is an informative little short video.
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