Who is actually driving the MAGA bus?
In a New York Times article entitled No One Controls MAGA - Not Even Trump, Ross Douthat advances the thesis that the president's relationship to his political base may be like that of 19th century French populist politician Alexandre Ledru-Rollin, to whom is attributed the famous quote, "There go my people. I must find out where they are going so I may lead them."
If you've been following current events, you know the precipitating incident for Douthat's column has been the continuing story of the late Jeffrey Epstein, notoriously accused of providing underage girls for the illicit, immoral and abusive pleasuring of his elite circle of friend. For many of us, the Epstein story was newsworthy a few years ago, seemingly culminating in his (alleged) suicide in a federal jail while awaiting trial. After that, the story mostly receded from our consciousness.
But it seems that, among MAGA followers, the Epstein story never went away, perhaps because it seemed to epitomize their world view that corrupt elites control our society and need to be brought down. Various members of the Trump administration (Pam Bondi, Kash Patel, Dan Bongino) had spent earlier parts of their careers keeping consumers of right-wing media riled up about alleged lists of perpetrators that were (supposedly) being covered up by the Deep State. Now that those same accusers are actually tasked with running the Department of Justice and the FBI, they, along with their boss President Trump, have been trying to minimize, distract, deflect and do whatever else is necessary to make the Epstein story go away. And the MAGA faithful are having none of it.
It's become a common talking point among news reporters that this split between the president and his base is rare. Are we witnessing a (rather belated) declaration of independence on the part of Trump voters who, for the last decade or so, seemingly have been bewitched by their leader into accepting anything and everything that suits the president's purposes?
Douthat offers a more complicated view: whereas it's widely believed that "MAGA is just a cult of personality in which any ideological reversal will be tolerated so long as the Great Man sets the course", in point of fact, Trump "doesn’t single-handedly decide what [MAGA] demands or where it ends up. Instead, there is an ongoing negotiation between what the president would like to do and what his voters will accept."
Douthat offers examples:
- On immigration: Douthat perceives that the MAGA base wants more restrictions on immigration than Trump otherwise would impose. Douthat suggests that Trump probably is naturally sympathetic to the demands of business owners for farm workers, hospitality workers and so on; and Trump recently issued a Truth Social post saying so. But Trump quickly reversed course; per Douthat, "Trump doesn’t actually do this kind of deal, however, because he knows [Stephen] Miller represents the purest form of anti-immigration sentiment, to which even MAGA’s leader must defer."
- On COVID: "Trump was often one step behind the populist impulse. He treated the outbreak as a nothingburger while the online right was freaking out about it. He accepted lockdowns and restrictions just as the populist impulse began evolving toward anti-Faucian libertarianism. And then he took up the libertarian critique himself — but haphazardly, leaving Anthony Fauci in charge of big parts of policy. Similarly, Trump’s desire to celebrate the triumph of Operation Warp Speed was in persistent tension with grass roots vaccine skepticism, and his eventual embrace of “MAHA” and Robert F. Kennedy Jr. was a case of the grass roots mostly getting its way."
- On Israel and Iran: Douthat notes that MAGA is isolationist, but it also likes quick, painless wins. Trump's intervention to bomb the Iranian nuclear sites might have stirred MAGA isolationist anger, but because it was a quick win with few or no repercussions, it didn't cost Trump anything politically. Thus, here Trump succeeded in spite of, not because of MAGA.
"...it's also possible that this was not a case of Trump intentionally unleashing attack dogs to overthrow our electoral system." Personally I'm remembering his statement to the Proud Boys types, "Be there, it will be wild!" I think he absolutely wanted the insurrection to happen. He may not have thought it actually would, but he was there watching it on tv when it did, and did not lift a finger to prevent it. A half hearted "time to go home now" late in the game doesn't count.
ReplyDeleteSow the wind, and reap the whirlwind. Or the hurricane, as the case may be. He can't control MAGA, in spite of what he thinks. It's a FAFO situation.
I agree with you, Katherine. He wanted it to happen and he wouldn’t have cared if those people actually had grabbed Pence and hung him.
Delete"He can't control MAGA, in spite of what he thinks."
DeleteBut if Trump doesn't control MAGA...is that better or worse for the country than the alternative reality in which Trump does control MAGA?
Trump got Tulsi Gabbard to pull together a collection of discredited theories and outright lies about how Obama colluded with Russia in the 2016 election, and Trump has accused Obama of sedition RIGHT FROM THE OVAL OFFICE ON LIVE TV. (Yes, I thought Russia was trying to get Trump elected, but when you read reports upside down and sideways, you can make them say the opposite.)
ReplyDeleteWe already have hundreds of people in hellhole jails at home and abroad without due process, people dumped in Darfur for kicks and giggles, foreign allies rejecting American products as a response to tariff threats, automakers posting losses and reduction in stock prices, old people and veterans who can't get info because DOGE shut down offices with real people, ICE wearing masks and jackboots to patrol Democratic city parks to scare people, and folks hoarding canned tomatoes and coffee.
The execution of a black ex-president on treason conspiracy would probably cheer up MAGA no end and get things back on track.
You go ahead and tell me that's farfetched. I dare ya.
This was on NBC:
Delete"Barack Obama has issued a rare public rebuttal of President Donald Trump over allegations the former president committed “treason” amid the probe into potential Russian interference in the 2016 election."
"After Trump accused the former president of treason for being the “ringleader” of the Russia investigation, Obama’s office issued a statement saying “these bizarre allegations are ridiculous and a weak attempt at distraction.”
The whole thing was pretty much barking mad, but it had to be refuted.
Obama can protest all he wants. Won't stop the crazy. MAGA has every expectation that Trump must prosecute Obama, the Bidens, Clinton, Pelosi, etc. Google reporter Zach Mack's wager with his MAGA dad to learn how deep this conspiracy insanity goes with the True Believers.
DeleteGeorge Will continues to blame the FDR welfare state infrastructure for Trump, but even he agrees that unless Republicans decide there's been enough wreckage and stand up to Trump, what's happened so far is just a warm-up.
It's going to get bloody.
Jean, I’m a pessimist like you. I have been trying to sound the alarm about trump since 2015, ignored by all of our MAGA family and friends.. I don’t think that you are overly pessimistic at all. My son and his wife are still working on a Plan B to escape to Spain. We will join them there if they go.
DeleteIt’s unlikely that trump personally colluded with Russia in 2016 - they didn’t need him to do that because he and his sons and henchmen were so easy to manipulate. Putin knew how he could use Trump, and Russia interfered in the election - not at trump’s orders but on his behalf.
Trump knows little about policy and his frequent reversals (tariffs, immigration etc) betray this. He’s not just Putin’s puppet (at least until a week or so ago, but in another werk?) he’s the puppet of the Heritage Foundation, aided by the Federalist Society, with Miller and others from Project 2025 actually running policy. Trump has been ramping up his nonsense trying to deflect MAGA attention away from Epstein. The absurd charge of treason against Obama is an extreme attempt to deflect. I’m wondering who has copies of all the Epstein files because I’m quite sure there is an ongoing attempt going on to shred anything implicating trump. His desperation has made me pretty sure now that he is implicated. I have felt for years that his army of lawyers has tried to keep all of his unethical business corruption and tax filings barely legal - at least would have developed scenarios of plausible deniability for him. So I thought that maybe the young women he “partied” with courtesy of Epstein may have all been 18 at least. But now I’m not so sure. If Clinton or other high level Dems are implicated but trump and his high level buddies aren’t, I’m quite sure that he would be more than happy to release the client list. He’s running scared on this one. Is there someone in his administration with access there prepared to be a Daniel Ellsberg or DeepThroat? Unfortunately I don’t think so.
It will be weird if this is actually the thing that sinks him. There have been so many things that would have finished anyone else.
DeleteWhen I think of Watergate, and how Nixon was forced to resign by his own party, it was certainly a different era.
I agree with Anne that Trump is running scared. If he were actually impeached or the 25th amendment applied, would we be any better off with JD as president? Much as I can't stand the guy, I think we would be. He is a chameleon, if he senses that MAGA's influence is waning, he might step back from some of the worst stuff. And I believe he would be unelectable in 2028.
That is if we have an election in 2028.
DeleteJD is awful, but he would not command the slavish adulation from fellow lawmakers that Trump does. More likely to get pushback and ram fewer nutty things thru.
DeleteAnybody who thinks Trump is not titillating MAGA over the prospect of imprisoning and convicting Obama, Biden, Pelosi, Warren, and other Dems has not seen the AI video of Obama's arrest that he posted on Truth Social.
This is around-the-bend revenge porn fantasy stuff. Very disturbing. To me anyway. Apparently not to most Americans who think it's just Trump being funny.
Here's the vid: https://youtube.com/shorts/D7pCaqQU7-U?si=WiYjXvFd2e08UBmj
DeleteI am really tired. I don’t think I can handle more trump awfulness tonight. Sweet dreams! No nightmares!
Delete" MAGA has every expectation that Trump must prosecute Obama, the Bidens, Clinton, Pelosi, etc."
DeleteTrump has been impeached twice (the first time after 3+ years of Russiagate) and faced a raft of lawfare indictments during the four years between his presidencies. MAGA ican say, "We didn't start this."
What are the odds that Trump is indicted again within 60 days of leaving the Oval Office? I'd guess they're pretty high.
If we want to break this cycle of seeking to criminalize politics, one side or the other needs to decline to prosecute.
Lawfare indictments? Do you really believe that?
DeleteI shared my views on the lawfare cases last year, here:
Deletehttps://newgathering.blogspot.com/2024/04/yet-another-trump-gripe-post.html?showComment=1714582970895#c7282104108273118231
It is said that when the only tool you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail. Our system doesn't allow for a vote of no confidence, like the British one. There is something to be said for getting a "do-over" when it is obvious that what you did isn't working out.
DeleteThere's a reason that no other president since Nixon has faced the amount of criminal prosecutions and two impeachments (!) that Trump has. If the Senate had done their duty we wouldn't be saddled with this nightmare. As it is, the Supreme Court has given the president asbestos underwear for anything done (as president) while he is president. It's my understanding that he can't be prosecuted when he leaves office for things he did as president. Yes, of course he's going to be prosecuted for criminal acts that don't fall under a statute of limitations that he did while not in office, as well as offenses in civil law. The best way to avoid criminal prosecutions is to, you know, not be a criminal. It's not lawfare, it's accountability. Which apparently doesn't apply to Trump.
Yep, Republicans crap out Trump & Co in a steaming pile on the national living room and then blame Democrat lawfare for why he stinks to high heaven.
DeleteThe only thing stopping our liberation from Trump is modern medicine. If modern medicine fails, Trump will leave office in a body bag. His followers high up and grass roots will find some substitute. All that irrationality and negative attitude will have to go somewhere. I don’t expect MAGA to go away if Trump expires but I look forward to living on a Trump-less planet. It’s a reason to live.
Delete"As it is, the Supreme Court has given the president asbestos underwear for anything done (as president) while he is president."
DeleteAs an aside: that same asbestos will protect President Obama, should this ridiculous "treason" initiative by Tulsi Gabbard try to take flight.
Jim's assuming that Trump and Co will play by established rules. The impetus behind Trump reposting sick videos (and throwing around words like "sedition" and "treason" and selling images of himself as Superman and having Gabbard make the rounds with her bullshit report) is to urge the crazies like that religious nut in Minnesota to go after his enemies and their families like vigilantes. Trump may help them along by whittling down their security detail.
Delete"Republicans ... blame Democrat lawfare"
DeleteDemocrats may or may not have invented it; certainly, it Republicans wielded it against Clinton in the previous era.
But until Democrats undertook their lawfare push against Trump, it was far from clear that Trump would even run again in 2024. The serving of the Mar a Lago search warrant seems to be what injected new life into Trump. He's been a different man ever since, both during the campaign (including, memorably, the first assassination attempt) and during his first six months in the White House. He's been a maelstrom of energy and activity.
I don't think the Mar a Lago search warrant "made" Trump a different man. He's the same man, just farther along the malignant narcissist downhill slope. It wasn't as though they didn't find anything that shouldn't have been there!
DeleteKatherine - I agree the docs shouldn't have been there. But he seemed to be a dispirited, depressed person, even before the 2020 campaign. Recall he spent the last two years of his presidency watching Fox News all morning instead of being president.
DeleteI think he took the Mar a Lago investigation very personally. I think he's a person who is animated by personal affront and the desire for personal vengeance. He perceived (probably correctly!) that the various legal actions were intended to go after him personally.
He doesn't care very much about philosophy and policy, but if there is an actual person he can hate or dominate or be in conflict with, he takes great satisfaction and fulfillment from it.
The big problem is rule by emergency order and executive overreach, Nixon's lasting legacy. Yes, this has been abused by both Democratic and Republican presidents. It allows them to circumvent Congress. And congressional reps like that in some cases because they don't have to make hard choices that might bite them on election day.
DeleteArguments like "lawfare" are merely figleaves Repubs use to cover their own culpability for putting up Trump as a candidate in the first place. That he us taking executive overreach to new lows was entirely predictable.
Conservatives, who are constantly preaching personal responsibility to poor people and unwed mothers, could use a good dose of it when it comes to facing up to the evils of MAGA that they voted in there.
"The big problem is rule by emergency order and executive overreach." I agree with that, and yes, it has been abused by presidents of both parties.
DeleteTrumps corruption makes Nixon look as pure as the driven snow. Even the Teapot Dome scandal was less corrupt than multiple scandals of trumps administration.
DeleteI know Jack does not read the news much, but his thoughts on the latest EO, which calls for forced "hospitalization" for mentally ill homeless would be welcome.
ReplyDeleteDHS has the big budget, and my guess is rounding up the homeless will be a Kristi Noem project. In the past, Trump has called for camps on the outskirts of cities that will house the homeless. No drugs or alcohol, forced substance abuse checks, separation by sex, children to foster care. My guess is that these camps will serve as big holding tanks where "illegals" will be culled and deported while everybody else awaits mental health screening that never comes.
You don't have to look too far in the past to see that these types of institutions lead to forced sterilization, abuse of residents, and misdiagnosis and neglect of treatment.
To some extent, a draconian Trump initiative would be the logical outcome of decades of neglect of the homeless population. Churches and missions can't do it alone, cities have been unwilling or unable to provide adequate housing and mental health services, and there aren't enough mental health workers around to care for the uninsured with severe mental illnesses and addiction.