Wednesday, July 23, 2025

Managing MAGA

Who is actually driving the MAGA bus?

In a New York Times article entitled No One Controls MAGA - Not Even Trump, Ross Douthat advances the thesis that the president's relationship to his political base may be like that of 19th century French populist politician Alexandre Ledru-Rollin, to whom is attributed the famous quote, "There go my people.  I must find out where they are going so I may lead them."

If you've been following current events, you know the precipitating incident for Douthat's column has been the continuing story of the late Jeffrey Epstein, notoriously accused of providing underage girls for the illicit, immoral and abusive pleasuring of his elite circle of friend.  For many of us, the Epstein story was newsworthy a few years ago, seemingly culminating in his (alleged) suicide in a federal jail while awaiting trial.  After that, the story mostly receded from our consciousness. 

But it seems that, among MAGA followers, the Epstein story never went away, perhaps because it seemed to epitomize their world view that corrupt elites control our society and need to be brought down.  Various members of the Trump administration (Pam Bondi, Kash Patel, Dan Bongino) had spent earlier parts of their careers keeping consumers of right-wing media riled up about alleged lists of perpetrators that were (supposedly) being covered up by the Deep State.  Now that those same accusers are actually tasked with running the Department of Justice and the FBI, they, along with their boss President Trump, have been trying to minimize, distract, deflect and do whatever else is necessary to make the Epstein story go away.  And the MAGA faithful are having none of it.

It's become a common talking point among news reporters that this split between the president and his base is rare.  Are we witnessing a (rather belated) declaration of independence on the part of Trump voters who, for the last decade or so, seemingly have been bewitched by their leader into accepting anything and everything that suits the president's purposes?

Douthat offers a more complicated view: whereas it's widely believed that "MAGA is just a cult of personality in which any ideological reversal will be tolerated so long as the Great Man sets the course", in point of fact, Trump "doesn’t single-handedly decide what [MAGA] demands or where it ends up. Instead, there is an ongoing negotiation between what the president would like to do and what his voters will accept."

Douthat offers examples:

  • On immigration: Douthat perceives that the MAGA base wants more restrictions on immigration than Trump otherwise would impose.  Douthat suggests that Trump probably is naturally sympathetic to the demands of business owners for farm workers, hospitality workers and so on; and Trump recently issued a Truth Social post saying so.  But Trump quickly reversed course; per Douthat, "Trump doesn’t actually do this kind of deal, however, because he knows [Stephen] Miller represents the purest form of anti-immigration sentiment, to which even MAGA’s leader must defer."
  • On COVID: "Trump was often one step behind the populist impulse. He treated the outbreak as a nothingburger while the online right was freaking out about it. He accepted lockdowns and restrictions just as the populist impulse began evolving toward anti-Faucian libertarianism. And then he took up the libertarian critique himself — but haphazardly, leaving Anthony Fauci in charge of big parts of policy. Similarly, Trump’s desire to celebrate the triumph of Operation Warp Speed was in persistent tension with grass roots vaccine skepticism, and his eventual embrace of “MAHA” and Robert F. Kennedy Jr. was a case of the grass roots mostly getting its way."
  • On Israel and Iran: Douthat notes that MAGA is isolationist, but it also likes quick, painless wins.  Trump's intervention to bomb the Iranian nuclear sites might have stirred MAGA isolationist anger, but because it was a quick win with few or no repercussions, it didn't cost Trump anything politically.  Thus, here Trump succeeded in spite of, not because of MAGA.  
Douthat then goes on to note that all of these dynamics seemingly are mixed together in the Epstein affair.  MAGA clearly cares about it a good deal more than Trump does.  (I'm setting aside here the notion, broached recently by Elon Musk, that Trump may have personal reasons for actively keeping Epstein's files under wraps.  I understand the Wall Street Journal reported today that Trump is actually named in the DOJ's Epstein files.)

I'd add that this dynamic of negotiation between Trump and MAGA provides a plausible explanation for what happened on January 6, 2021: Trump didn't particularly plan for or expect his followers to storm the capitol (although, as the events unfolded, he decided to do little or nothing to interfere with it).  And it's possible the motives weren't perfectly aligned: while Trump wanted to stop the certification of Biden's election, it seems many of the stormers of the capitol were at least as interested in brawling with cops and inflicting harm on Nancy Pelosi and other perceived enemies of their movement.  It's not that Trump and his followers had opposing motives; but it's also possible that this was not a case of Trump intentionally unleashing attack dogs to overthrow our electoral system.

15 comments:

  1. "...it's also possible that this was not a case of Trump intentionally unleashing attack dogs to overthrow our electoral system." Personally I'm remembering his statement to the Proud Boys types, "Be there, it will be wild!" I think he absolutely wanted the insurrection to happen. He may not have thought it actually would, but he was there watching it on tv when it did, and did not lift a finger to prevent it. A half hearted "time to go home now" late in the game doesn't count.
    Sow the wind, and reap the whirlwind. Or the hurricane, as the case may be. He can't control MAGA, in spite of what he thinks. It's a FAFO situation.

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    1. I agree with you, Katherine. He wanted it to happen and he wouldn’t have cared if those people actually had grabbed Pence and hung him.

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    2. "He can't control MAGA, in spite of what he thinks."

      But if Trump doesn't control MAGA...is that better or worse for the country than the alternative reality in which Trump does control MAGA?

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  2. Trump got Tulsi Gabbard to pull together a collection of discredited theories and outright lies about how Obama colluded with Russia in the 2016 election, and Trump has accused Obama of sedition RIGHT FROM THE OVAL OFFICE ON LIVE TV. (Yes, I thought Russia was trying to get Trump elected, but when you read reports upside down and sideways, you can make them say the opposite.)

    We already have hundreds of people in hellhole jails at home and abroad without due process, people dumped in Darfur for kicks and giggles, foreign allies rejecting American products as a response to tariff threats, automakers posting losses and reduction in stock prices, old people and veterans who can't get info because DOGE shut down offices with real people, ICE wearing masks and jackboots to patrol Democratic city parks to scare people, and folks hoarding canned tomatoes and coffee.

    The execution of a black ex-president on treason conspiracy would probably cheer up MAGA no end and get things back on track.

    You go ahead and tell me that's farfetched. I dare ya.

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    1. This was on NBC:
      "Barack Obama has issued a rare public rebuttal of President Donald Trump over allegations the former president committed “treason” amid the probe into potential Russian interference in the 2016 election."
      "After Trump accused the former president of treason for being the “ringleader” of the Russia investigation, Obama’s office issued a statement saying “these bizarre allegations are ridiculous and a weak attempt at distraction.”
      The whole thing was pretty much barking mad, but it had to be refuted.

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    2. Obama can protest all he wants. Won't stop the crazy. MAGA has every expectation that Trump must prosecute Obama, the Bidens, Clinton, Pelosi, etc. Google reporter Zach Mack's wager with his MAGA dad to learn how deep this conspiracy insanity goes with the True Believers.

      George Will continues to blame the FDR welfare state infrastructure for Trump, but even he agrees that unless Republicans decide there's been enough wreckage and stand up to Trump, what's happened so far is just a warm-up.

      It's going to get bloody.

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    3. Jean, I’m a pessimist like you. I have been trying to sound the alarm about trump since 2015, ignored by all of our MAGA family and friends.. I don’t think that you are overly pessimistic at all. My son and his wife are still working on a Plan B to escape to Spain. We will join them there if they go.

      It’s unlikely that trump personally colluded with Russia in 2016 - they didn’t need him to do that because he and his sons and henchmen were so easy to manipulate. Putin knew how he could use Trump, and Russia interfered in the election - not at trump’s orders but on his behalf.

      Trump knows little about policy and his frequent reversals (tariffs, immigration etc) betray this. He’s not just Putin’s puppet (at least until a week or so ago, but in another werk?) he’s the puppet of the Heritage Foundation, aided by the Federalist Society, with Miller and others from Project 2025 actually running policy. Trump has been ramping up his nonsense trying to deflect MAGA attention away from Epstein. The absurd charge of treason against Obama is an extreme attempt to deflect. I’m wondering who has copies of all the Epstein files because I’m quite sure there is an ongoing attempt going on to shred anything implicating trump. His desperation has made me pretty sure now that he is implicated. I have felt for years that his army of lawyers has tried to keep all of his unethical business corruption and tax filings barely legal - at least would have developed scenarios of plausible deniability for him. So I thought that maybe the young women he “partied” with courtesy of Epstein may have all been 18 at least. But now I’m not so sure. If Clinton or other high level Dems are implicated but trump and his high level buddies aren’t, I’m quite sure that he would be more than happy to release the client list. He’s running scared on this one. Is there someone in his administration with access there prepared to be a Daniel Ellsberg or DeepThroat? Unfortunately I don’t think so.

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    4. It will be weird if this is actually the thing that sinks him. There have been so many things that would have finished anyone else.
      When I think of Watergate, and how Nixon was forced to resign by his own party, it was certainly a different era.
      I agree with Anne that Trump is running scared. If he were actually impeached or the 25th amendment applied, would we be any better off with JD as president? Much as I can't stand the guy, I think we would be. He is a chameleon, if he senses that MAGA's influence is waning, he might step back from some of the worst stuff. And I believe he would be unelectable in 2028.

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    5. That is if we have an election in 2028.

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    6. JD is awful, but he would not command the slavish adulation from fellow lawmakers that Trump does. More likely to get pushback and ram fewer nutty things thru.

      Anybody who thinks Trump is not titillating MAGA over the prospect of imprisoning and convicting Obama, Biden, Pelosi, Warren, and other Dems has not seen the AI video of Obama's arrest that he posted on Truth Social.

      This is around-the-bend revenge porn fantasy stuff. Very disturbing. To me anyway. Apparently not to most Americans who think it's just Trump being funny.

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    7. Here's the vid: https://youtube.com/shorts/D7pCaqQU7-U?si=WiYjXvFd2e08UBmj

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    8. I am really tired. I don’t think I can handle more trump awfulness tonight. Sweet dreams! No nightmares!

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    9. " MAGA has every expectation that Trump must prosecute Obama, the Bidens, Clinton, Pelosi, etc."

      Trump has been impeached twice (the first time after 3+ years of Russiagate) and faced a raft of lawfare indictments during the four years between his presidencies. MAGA ican say, "We didn't start this."

      What are the odds that Trump is indicted again within 60 days of leaving the Oval Office? I'd guess they're pretty high.

      If we want to break this cycle of seeking to criminalize politics, one side or the other needs to decline to prosecute.

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    10. Lawfare indictments? Do you really believe that?

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    11. I shared my views on the lawfare cases last year, here:

      https://newgathering.blogspot.com/2024/04/yet-another-trump-gripe-post.html?showComment=1714582970895#c7282104108273118231

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